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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1146156" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>The mistake YOU guys make is in believing that the "panels" are a fair hearing where justice will prevail. What you DONT understand is that "PANELS" are designed to DEADLOCK. 3 from the company and 3 from the union. Each side has less than 8 minutes to present a case to the panel. The "CHAIR" then calls for a vote and it always goes the same way.. 3 company labor reps vote for the company position, and the 3 union reps vote for the union position. DEADLOCK. Then onward to another panel in 3 months. Then DEADLOCK again, and then a meeting with the 9.5 committee as soon as it can be scheduled.. ( 4 to 6 months) then, if no resolution there, You have the right to arbitration. WOO HOO.</p><p></p><p>A year later, you have a 50/50 chance of recovering triple time.</p><p></p><p>OJS observations have NOTHING to do with PANEL outcomes. That is Irrelevant information. If it was as simple to recover triple time on 9.5 violations, then the company wouldnt violate us, Instead, they work the system as it was designed for. The UNION agreed to create this farce of judicial remedy to satisfy the company while fooling YOU into believing in it.</p><p></p><p>In our local for example, we have a separate addendum that provides our members to a "local" arbitration within 30 days on ALL issues that are not remedied at the local level. These trials would then set a precedent in our local and the company wouldnt dare do the same violation twice. UNfortunately, the H administration "conceeded" to the company this superior avenue of recovery and has since taken everything to PANEL.</p><p></p><p>There, cases deadlock for months on end. They know, that the longer it goes, the less likely a member will pursue the case. They DO NOT arbitrate cases unless they are termination cases that cant be settled at the local level. In all of the PANELED cases, there is a stipulation at the bottom of each case that eventually gets settled and it says this:</p><p></p><p>" the outcome of this case does not establish a precedent "</p><p></p><p>The local has sold out ALL cases with this little sentence. Every Local has agreed to this practice. The panel list is multiple pages long in each district. Hundreds of cases to be heard in 5 days. Most dont get heard and tough cases simply get postponed. </p><p></p><p>Its all RIGGED, and yet people like STINK and 407 believe the panel system will protect them. </p><p></p><p>Hundreds of cases go unresolved in panels. There is NOTHING about panels that suggests a remedy or outcome is guaranteed. </p><p></p><p>The 9.5 language contained in this proposal will only INCREASE the case logs for panel hearings. The fact that the company still has an "OUT" up their sleeve guarantees a DEADLOCK outcome in panels. Why would the company settle a case or vote in favor of the member, when at the end of the road they can still have an arbitration hearing that is 50/50 at best?</p><p></p><p>Those of you who DONT understand this are simply foolish. The company will NEVER settle a triple time case if they have one final option of arbitrating the case where 50/50 odds await them. Think about that.</p><p></p><p>The system is rigged against you!</p><p></p><p>If the union was attempting to prevent unnecessary overtime, they would fight for language that made payment AUTOMATIC upon violation. But, they didnt.</p><p></p><p>They went on with the charade and added another two steps to the process. Good luck with that.</p><p></p><p>Peace</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1146156, member: 17969"] The mistake YOU guys make is in believing that the "panels" are a fair hearing where justice will prevail. What you DONT understand is that "PANELS" are designed to DEADLOCK. 3 from the company and 3 from the union. Each side has less than 8 minutes to present a case to the panel. The "CHAIR" then calls for a vote and it always goes the same way.. 3 company labor reps vote for the company position, and the 3 union reps vote for the union position. DEADLOCK. Then onward to another panel in 3 months. Then DEADLOCK again, and then a meeting with the 9.5 committee as soon as it can be scheduled.. ( 4 to 6 months) then, if no resolution there, You have the right to arbitration. WOO HOO. A year later, you have a 50/50 chance of recovering triple time. OJS observations have NOTHING to do with PANEL outcomes. That is Irrelevant information. If it was as simple to recover triple time on 9.5 violations, then the company wouldnt violate us, Instead, they work the system as it was designed for. The UNION agreed to create this farce of judicial remedy to satisfy the company while fooling YOU into believing in it. In our local for example, we have a separate addendum that provides our members to a "local" arbitration within 30 days on ALL issues that are not remedied at the local level. These trials would then set a precedent in our local and the company wouldnt dare do the same violation twice. UNfortunately, the H administration "conceeded" to the company this superior avenue of recovery and has since taken everything to PANEL. There, cases deadlock for months on end. They know, that the longer it goes, the less likely a member will pursue the case. They DO NOT arbitrate cases unless they are termination cases that cant be settled at the local level. In all of the PANELED cases, there is a stipulation at the bottom of each case that eventually gets settled and it says this: " the outcome of this case does not establish a precedent " The local has sold out ALL cases with this little sentence. Every Local has agreed to this practice. The panel list is multiple pages long in each district. Hundreds of cases to be heard in 5 days. Most dont get heard and tough cases simply get postponed. Its all RIGGED, and yet people like STINK and 407 believe the panel system will protect them. Hundreds of cases go unresolved in panels. There is NOTHING about panels that suggests a remedy or outcome is guaranteed. The 9.5 language contained in this proposal will only INCREASE the case logs for panel hearings. The fact that the company still has an "OUT" up their sleeve guarantees a DEADLOCK outcome in panels. Why would the company settle a case or vote in favor of the member, when at the end of the road they can still have an arbitration hearing that is 50/50 at best? Those of you who DONT understand this are simply foolish. The company will NEVER settle a triple time case if they have one final option of arbitrating the case where 50/50 odds await them. Think about that. The system is rigged against you! If the union was attempting to prevent unnecessary overtime, they would fight for language that made payment AUTOMATIC upon violation. But, they didnt. They went on with the charade and added another two steps to the process. Good luck with that. Peace TOS [/QUOTE]
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