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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 1124378" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p>I have no way of knowing. But knowing that he was what I'd characterize as a sociopath, I'd imagine that he either did some time in a state prison, or at the least had alternate mailing addresses in numerous county jails. The whole event actually had a beneficial effect on me. </p><p></p><p>I'm sure Karma kicked in for him eventually. </p><p></p><p>But I'd have to admit, if I could go back to that day and somehow convince my best friend to stick it through and have that fight with me and him against Greg - it would've been grand. It probably would've resulted in my getting kicked out of that parochial school (I kind of wanted that to happen anyway, it was just too damn restrictive....). My mother would've gone ballistic on my butt if that had happened (my being there was more of a 'prestige issue' for her rather than any desire of mine to be there), but my father would've just smiled (he knew the issue at hand back then, he had a role in my suggesting to my classmates the 'group solution' to the problem). </p><p></p><p>And as far as the same damn thing over and over again... Yes, the same issues happen over and over again. Everyone here wants to apply an ass kicking to Fred, but most aren't willing to either trust their coworkers, or are too damn timid to commit to getting into the fray at the beginning. They want to sit back and wait for someone else to take on Fred while he's fresh, then step into the fray once Fred is stumbling or has gone to the ground. </p><p></p><p>It's going to take about 400 or so leaders (station organizers) among the Couriers getting another 15,000+ to be willing to sign cards, for the fight to even have a chance of starting. Right now I'd wager there are maybe 25 or so leaders in the stations (posters and lurkers who are actually getting out cards one way or another), with very few if any of them making an attempt to recruit other organizers/leaders in surrounding stations to join in planning for the big fight day. One could call it a start, but given the size of the task at hand, it is just too small given the time that has passed. There is still a chance, but unless something really gets off the ground in the next couple of weeks, it won't ever happen until it is too late.</p><p></p><p>And given the scope of the task, there MUST be centralized leadership, with the station level organizers being willing to accept direction and provide feedback as to progress. That CLEARLY isn't present right now. Lacking that coordinated network, nothing substantive enough will ever develop - the RLA just makes it too damn difficult for uncoordinated efforts to achieve anything. Hell, the IBT walked away - and they are supposedly pros at doing this stuff. That alone gives an indication as to the scope of the proposed task, and the level of coordination that will be required for an <u>amateur</u> attempt to pull it off. </p><p></p><p>The 1980 US Olympic hockey team would have NOTHING compared to the Couriers if they should somehow manage to pull off the big fight - that is the immensity of this endeavor. It would literally be history making should this succeed. Something this big doesn't happen by accident, it doesn't happen by luck, it doesn't happen by separate locations acting in uncoordinated fashion. If it were to happen, it would take leadership, planning, organization and a hell of a lot of work on the part of individuals who will never make personal contact with but a handful of their fellow organizers (organizer in one station meeting with an organizer in an adjacent station), coming together and achieving what I'd admit is the near impossible. It would literally make labor organizing history should it actually get to the point of a certification election. </p><p></p><p>That is why Express doesn't fear the Couriers in the least right now (they know what it would take to wage a war against their machine). That is also why if this were to actually get off the ground somehow, Express senior management would crap their pants so fast that it would be comical.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 1124378, member: 22880"] I have no way of knowing. But knowing that he was what I'd characterize as a sociopath, I'd imagine that he either did some time in a state prison, or at the least had alternate mailing addresses in numerous county jails. The whole event actually had a beneficial effect on me. I'm sure Karma kicked in for him eventually. But I'd have to admit, if I could go back to that day and somehow convince my best friend to stick it through and have that fight with me and him against Greg - it would've been grand. It probably would've resulted in my getting kicked out of that parochial school (I kind of wanted that to happen anyway, it was just too damn restrictive....). My mother would've gone ballistic on my butt if that had happened (my being there was more of a 'prestige issue' for her rather than any desire of mine to be there), but my father would've just smiled (he knew the issue at hand back then, he had a role in my suggesting to my classmates the 'group solution' to the problem). And as far as the same damn thing over and over again... Yes, the same issues happen over and over again. Everyone here wants to apply an ass kicking to Fred, but most aren't willing to either trust their coworkers, or are too damn timid to commit to getting into the fray at the beginning. They want to sit back and wait for someone else to take on Fred while he's fresh, then step into the fray once Fred is stumbling or has gone to the ground. It's going to take about 400 or so leaders (station organizers) among the Couriers getting another 15,000+ to be willing to sign cards, for the fight to even have a chance of starting. Right now I'd wager there are maybe 25 or so leaders in the stations (posters and lurkers who are actually getting out cards one way or another), with very few if any of them making an attempt to recruit other organizers/leaders in surrounding stations to join in planning for the big fight day. One could call it a start, but given the size of the task at hand, it is just too small given the time that has passed. There is still a chance, but unless something really gets off the ground in the next couple of weeks, it won't ever happen until it is too late. And given the scope of the task, there MUST be centralized leadership, with the station level organizers being willing to accept direction and provide feedback as to progress. That CLEARLY isn't present right now. Lacking that coordinated network, nothing substantive enough will ever develop - the RLA just makes it too damn difficult for uncoordinated efforts to achieve anything. Hell, the IBT walked away - and they are supposedly pros at doing this stuff. That alone gives an indication as to the scope of the proposed task, and the level of coordination that will be required for an [U]amateur[/U] attempt to pull it off. The 1980 US Olympic hockey team would have NOTHING compared to the Couriers if they should somehow manage to pull off the big fight - that is the immensity of this endeavor. It would literally be history making should this succeed. Something this big doesn't happen by accident, it doesn't happen by luck, it doesn't happen by separate locations acting in uncoordinated fashion. If it were to happen, it would take leadership, planning, organization and a hell of a lot of work on the part of individuals who will never make personal contact with but a handful of their fellow organizers (organizer in one station meeting with an organizer in an adjacent station), coming together and achieving what I'd admit is the near impossible. It would literally make labor organizing history should it actually get to the point of a certification election. That is why Express doesn't fear the Couriers in the least right now (they know what it would take to wage a war against their machine). That is also why if this were to actually get off the ground somehow, Express senior management would crap their pants so fast that it would be comical. [/QUOTE]
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