Delivery Driver Jobs To Disappear by 2030

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Before signing the 8 year contract in 2006, UPS pilots averaged $175K per year.

They were around $190 per flying hour.

They got a 29% raise through the 2006-2014 contract.

The average salary is now around $225K. About $240 per flying hour.

I assure you the contract pilot flying the puddle jumper with our air does not come anywhere near those numbers.

 

[Browndriver5]

Before signing the 8 year contract in 2006, UPS pilots averaged $175K per year.

They were around $190 per flying hour.

They got a 29% raise through the 2006-2014 contract.

The average salary is now around $225K. About $240 per flying hour.

Yeah UPS is the highest paid in the industry. My friend just graduated from Middle Tenn. and he is a pilot giving flight lessons at 35k a year. A Delta Pilot only makes around 80 k a year

 

[rickyb]

Just saw this TEDTalk article about jobs that will be no more by 2030. Yes, Our driving job is one of them. Scroll down to the 2nd point and do you agree? http://www.futuristspeaker.com/2012/02/2-billion-jobs-to-disappear-by-2030/

i think david graeber just did a book on this subject. the small number of people who control this society under capitalism will figure out a way to either keep people working and just getting by

 

[Mugarolla]

I assure you the contract pilot flying the puddle jumper with our air does not come anywhere near those numbers.

If he is a contractor, no he is not.

I was referring to the 2800 pilots who are employees of UPS and members of the IPA.

And to have an average salary of $225K, you know that there are some rookies making $150K and some seasoned vets making $275K to get the average to $225K.

 

[The Other Side]

Independent contractors and the entire concept will be the death of the average package car driver at UPS. Fedex has been using them, as has many trucking outfits.

Now, Amazon is beta testing such a service, using an app service similiar to UBER.

Paying private persons (cents per package) to deliver them to homes, or to "package pickup" locations will bleed the UPS system of packages eliminating small package driver jobs.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-considering-paying-people-deliver-174429408.html

Once AMAZON goes this route, look for other companies to follow suit.

TOS.

 

[Browndriver5]

Independent contractors and the entire concept will be the death of the average package car driver at UPS. Fedex has been using them, as has many trucking outfits.

Now, Amazon is beta testing such a service, using an app service similiar to UBER.

Paying private persons (cents per package) to deliver them to homes, or to "package pickup" locations will bleed the UPS system of packages eliminating small package driver jobs.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-considering-paying-people-deliver-174429408.html

Once AMAZON goes this route, look for other companies to follow suit.

TOS.

Because I trust my $1000 watch I ordered with a random person...

 

[Browndriver5]

UPS has competition that's for sure but so does every other industry and we will persevere.

 

[The Other Side]

UPS has competition that's for sure but so does every other industry and we will persevere.

Hope those "happy thoughts" work out for you.

TOS.

 

[Browndriver5]

http://gizmodo.com/report-amazon-is-developing-an-uber-style-service-for-1711673988

And who would want to get paid in "Amazon bucks"

 

[Browndriver5]

Hope those "happy thoughts" work out for you.

TOS.

Not happy thoughts but if you think there's gonna be thousands of Mexicans on bicycles delivering my Working for Amazon bucks then you're delusional

 

[watdaflock?]

Like s bank for example why do we have bankers if I can just go use an atm machine?

Because a lot of old timers at UPS still receive paper checks instead of Direct Deposit just so they feel entitled standing in line at the bank.

 

[Browndriver5]

Because a lot of old timers at UPS still receive paper checks instead of Direct Deposit just so they feel entitled standing in line at the bank.

Haha but chase bank has an automated atm that accepts checks as well

 

[edd_tv]

Have you been to Worldport?

Humans still unload the trailers.
Humans still load the trailers.
Humans still drive the tugs.
Humans still move the cans.
Humans still load the cans.
Humans still unload the cans.
Humans still drive the yard birds.
Humans still load the planes.
Humans still unload the planes.
Humans still fly the planes.
Humans still drive the semi's

The sorting process is automated. That is about it. And that automated sorting will eventually be in all hubs.

Package cars cannot load and unload themselves.

Trailers cannot load and unload themselves.

Until robots are designed, and cheap enough, to replace the loader, unloader, preloader, etc, no jobs will be lost.

Robots will not be replacing us anytime in the not so near future.

The technology may be there, but it is cost prohibitive to even dream about it.

I didn't say anything about drivers or pilots. I'm talking in the hub.
That's why I said it's easy to see that in the future. Not tomorrow

Your right, The trailers and trucks can't load themselves, yet. The pace at which technology in the robotics/ai/industrial automation field is evolving is amazing. The price is being driven down, slowly, but it is being driven down.

I'm not being chicken little, I know my job is safe for now. Im just saying, that as little as 20 years ago, two stinky truck drivers from either side of the country couldnt argue over inane details of their crummy job in almost real time. It's fascinating to think about honestly.

 

[edd_tv]

I read that pilots actually make more like 18k to 25k a year because there are so many people who want to fly planes that it's easy to just stiff them on the salary.

This group excludes regional, national and international airline pilots. Commercial pilots earned a mean annual wage of $76,050 a year as of May 2011. The median reported salary was $70,000 per year, and the median-earning 50 percent of commercial pilots earned between $50,850 and $92,340 a year.

I know a 1st officer for Republic (the regional) just completed his first year of service salary of $22,700 on an E-145 jet.
UPS and FedEx used to be looked down upon by the legacy carrier pilots, now they are the most sought after jobs in aviation. Corporate pilots make a good living too. NetJets etc.

 

[TUT]

Independent contractors and the entire concept will be the death of the average package car driver at UPS. Fedex has been using them, as has many trucking outfits.

Now, Amazon is beta testing such a service, using an app service similiar to UBER.

Paying private persons (cents per package) to deliver them to homes, or to "package pickup" locations will bleed the UPS system of packages eliminating small package driver jobs.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-considering-paying-people-deliver-174429408.html

Once AMAZON goes this route, look for other companies to follow suit.

TOS.

So now 2030 seems a little conservative? lol

And yeah some pilots still make bank but there was a time they were all very well paid. Race to the bottom and some think we need to give companies more power and freedoms.

 

[Browndriver5]

So now 2030 seems a little conservative? lol

And yeah some pilots still make bank but there was a time they were all very well paid. Race to the bottom and some think we need to give companies more power and freedoms.

I always like your view points. What do you think will end up happening to package delivery

 

[Mugarolla]

I know a 1st officer for Republic (the regional) just completed his first year of service salary of $22,700 on an E-145 jet.
UPS and FedEx used to be looked down upon by the legacy carrier pilots, now they are the most sought after jobs in aviation. Corporate pilots make a good living too. NetJets etc.

My neighbor flies for Delta. Retired friend-16 pilot for the National Guard.

His first 4 years at Delta was under $50K.

He now makes around $125K in his 5th year.

He is trying to get the left chair on international flights. $150K-$175K.

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

My neighbor flies for Delta. Retired friend-16 pilot for the National Guard.

His first 4 years at Delta was under $50K.

He now makes around $125K in his 5th year.

He is trying to get the left chair on international flights. $150K-$175K.

Commercial pilot making under 50k for 4 years???? Now 5th year makes 125. Your #'s are off bro

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[rod]

In 1985 Marty Mcfly went back to the future to the year 2015....still waiting for an accurate weather forecast!

and hoverboards

 

[Mugarolla]

Commercial pilot making under 50k for 4 years???? Now 5th year makes 125. Your #'s are off bro

That was $50K per year for about the first 4 years.

He did not have his own seat. He only flew when they needed him.

5 years in and he finally got his own seat.