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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 74992" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I'm not happy with some of the recent revelations about gov't surveillance as it applies domestically but it's far from surprise either. Before folks jump on GW thinking he's the first in human history to breach this threshold it might do us well to look back at the past. I would suggest a close look at gov't all through the 20th century would likely reveal this a continual pattern of operation rather than a most recent anomally. 1960's, Civil Rights, FBI, MLK. Sound familar?</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">This is therefore another reason I contend and will continue to contend that even had Gore or Kerry been elected, what they did in office wouldn't differ to much from what you see right now. Gov't is like a run away train on a dead end track and we actually have people either foolish enough or maniacal enough to run for the office of driving that train. They know there is no stopping it but making you think that is all they have to do and as long as their timing is right (train doesn't finally run off the end of the track or take a bad turn in an even worse direction, some would contend GW has) they can enjoy a few years thinking they are the big dog in charge and then leave the office set for life will great connections for their own personal agendas and generally some very nice speaking fees and sweet book deals.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Without surveillance, I agree some people "might" die and sadly but matter of factly that is the cost of freedom and liberty. How many who defend the surveillance would scream bloody murder if on a daily basis the agents of gov't came to their person and home and searched them routinely and maintained constent surveil of their conversations 24/7 and under the pretext of defending their freedom and liberty? How many would object if an agent of gov't went with them 24/7 to make sure no law at all was ever broken. Freedom and liberty are not easy by any stretch and at times very complex and difficult but for every time we give in and sacrifice some of our principles of liberty and freedom we die ever slower towards despotism and autocratic rule. </span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Don't Thread On Me!</span></em></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp" target="_blank">http://nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm" target="_blank">http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm" target="_blank">http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 74992, member: 2189"] [FONT=Arial]I'm not happy with some of the recent revelations about gov't surveillance as it applies domestically but it's far from surprise either. Before folks jump on GW thinking he's the first in human history to breach this threshold it might do us well to look back at the past. I would suggest a close look at gov't all through the 20th century would likely reveal this a continual pattern of operation rather than a most recent anomally. 1960's, Civil Rights, FBI, MLK. Sound familar?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]This is therefore another reason I contend and will continue to contend that even had Gore or Kerry been elected, what they did in office wouldn't differ to much from what you see right now. Gov't is like a run away train on a dead end track and we actually have people either foolish enough or maniacal enough to run for the office of driving that train. They know there is no stopping it but making you think that is all they have to do and as long as their timing is right (train doesn't finally run off the end of the track or take a bad turn in an even worse direction, some would contend GW has) they can enjoy a few years thinking they are the big dog in charge and then leave the office set for life will great connections for their own personal agendas and generally some very nice speaking fees and sweet book deals.[/FONT] [I][FONT=Arial]Without surveillance, I agree some people "might" die and sadly but matter of factly that is the cost of freedom and liberty. How many who defend the surveillance would scream bloody murder if on a daily basis the agents of gov't came to their person and home and searched them routinely and maintained constent surveil of their conversations 24/7 and under the pretext of defending their freedom and liberty? How many would object if an agent of gov't went with them 24/7 to make sure no law at all was ever broken. Freedom and liberty are not easy by any stretch and at times very complex and difficult but for every time we give in and sacrifice some of our principles of liberty and freedom we die ever slower towards despotism and autocratic rule. [/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Arial]Don't Thread On Me![/FONT][/I] [URL="http://nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp"]http://nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp[/URL] [URL="http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm"]http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm[/URL] [URL="http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm"]http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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