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Democrats Today Will Kill Any & All Chance to Impeach Bush
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<blockquote data-quote="Jones" data-source="post: 368611" data-attributes="member: 4805"><p>This bill be challenged on constitutional grounds relating to the 4th amendment and in the end the Supreme Court will rule one way or the other and we will have to live with that ruling. I do think it's interesting that so many people who get on their soapboxes and rail about the importance of the second amendment and the sanctity of their "constitutional rights" to keep and bear arms are willing to write off the 4th amendment as somehow not so very important. The constitution is either worth protecting or it isn't. If you devalue part of it you devalue all of it, and eventually the same arguments that were used to take away the rights you don't care about (Say those magic words: <em>THE WAR ON TERROR!</em>) will be used to take away the rights that you do care about. </p><p></p><p>I'm more concerned with the idea of retroactive immunity. The notion that it's ok for corporations to break the law as long as they complying with a secret and illegal government program is a terrible precedent to set. If what the government and the telecoms did is defensible and justifiable ( and I have no doubt that much of it was, particularly in the weeks and months directly following 9/11), then they should have no problem making that case in court. If they did things that were not defensible then they should have to answer for them. That's the way our country is supposed to work. We are a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law" target="_blank"><span style="color: Blue"><u>nation of laws</u></span></a>, not a nation of men. Or at least we used to be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jones, post: 368611, member: 4805"] This bill be challenged on constitutional grounds relating to the 4th amendment and in the end the Supreme Court will rule one way or the other and we will have to live with that ruling. I do think it's interesting that so many people who get on their soapboxes and rail about the importance of the second amendment and the sanctity of their "constitutional rights" to keep and bear arms are willing to write off the 4th amendment as somehow not so very important. The constitution is either worth protecting or it isn't. If you devalue part of it you devalue all of it, and eventually the same arguments that were used to take away the rights you don't care about (Say those magic words: [I]THE WAR ON TERROR![/I]) will be used to take away the rights that you do care about. I'm more concerned with the idea of retroactive immunity. The notion that it's ok for corporations to break the law as long as they complying with a secret and illegal government program is a terrible precedent to set. If what the government and the telecoms did is defensible and justifiable ( and I have no doubt that much of it was, particularly in the weeks and months directly following 9/11), then they should have no problem making that case in court. If they did things that were not defensible then they should have to answer for them. That's the way our country is supposed to work. We are a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law"][COLOR=Blue][U]nation of laws[/U][/COLOR][/URL], not a nation of men. Or at least we used to be. [/QUOTE]
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