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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 400404" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Really? You really believe that myth? You need to have a serious talk then with your current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates who served on the National Security Council during the Carter adminstration and in his book states that this line in Carter's 1980' State of the Union speech was in fact a major factor and launch point for current US Middle East policy. The book is entitled, </p><p><em>From the Shadows: The Ultimate Insider's Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War.</em> Simon & Schuster 1997 and is availble at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc.</p><p> </p><p>What did Gates say about Jimmy Carter? In 2005' former Carter Ambassador to Italy, Richard Gardner gave a Q&A to the Council on Foreign Relations entitled "Winning the Cold War, Jimmy Carter's forgotten role and during this Q&A, Gates own words were quoted:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.cfr.org/publication/9009/winning_the_cold_war_jimmy_carters_forgotten_role_rush_transcript_federal_news_service.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.cfr.org/publication/9009/winning_the_cold_war_jimmy_carters_forgotten_role_rush_transcript_federal_news_service.html</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p>In his book, Gates devotes much, much more including the importance of Jimmy Carter's 1980' speech in realtion to policy towards the Middle East and especially the Persian Gulf region. If you read Gates and others on historical policy, you could well say that your serving in Iraq came about by the policy of Jimmy Carter and that you owe him a debt of gratitude. Carter having made th region a spearpoint set the table for suceeding adminstrations to carry forward to where we now find ourselves today. Amazing how that all works out but don't feel to disgusted, I'm sure D and others here of the demonrat flavor are as repulsed as you to think it was one of their own who greenlighted Reagan, Bush 1 and of course Bush 2 in the region! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>Now for the case of Gates, that's one of your own boys there so you need to get ya'lls story straight!</p><p> </p><p>Gates names Carter as one of the 5 Presidents who gets credit for winning the ColdWar and notice again the title of the book, <strong><em><u>The Ultimate Insider's Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War </u></em></strong>. Kinda hard to argue Carter was the great idiot when one of your own was there and is saying otherwise! Let's see, Gates is Sec. of Defense and republicon to boot so in effect ain't he your boss? And you are a good little soldier and folllow orders without question so there you go! Again <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>BTW: It's come as accepted truth that Gates, a loyal republicon all these years was the leak to the Reagan/Bush campaign about the Carter deal to supply arms to Iran for release of the hostages. It's also believed he was the source of the leak to the media as well. He also had to withdraw his name from nomination in 1987' to head the CIA because of connections to Iran/Contra. I guess your loss was ultimately Texas A&M's gain. LOL!</p><p> </p><p>Just as a side note, Carter gets lots of blame for the economy of the late 70's and no doubt he made his mistakes but history paints a different picture when you consider Nixon killing Bretton-Woods in 71' and closing thr gold window for good and then instituting wage and price controls thereby freezing them in place. These socialistic actions create ripple and downstream effects that take time to roll out through the economic process and unfortunately Jimmy Carter got elected at a time when those waves finally came crashing onto the shore. </p><p> </p><p>I didn't vote for Jimmy either in 76' or 80' and the man's name is on my first driver's license so I got no dog in this fight but I don't believe it's truthful either to lay all blame on him when history clearly shows many manifestations during his watch on the economic side were not completely of his own doing. He made his mistakes but both republicons and demonrats can take credit there.</p><p> </p><p>Another interesting side note about Gates beyond his long gov't career with the CIA and his Presidency at Texas A&M, Gates has also served on the board of numerous companies including of interest, Parker Drilling, a global oil drilling company out of Houston Texas and Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). It works exclusively with such gov't agencies as DOD, Homeland Security, Intelligence Community including the NSA and along with Gates were the following other board members at various times for SAIC. Melvin Laird, Defense Sec. for Nixon, William Perry, Clinton's Defense Sec. and John Deutsch, Clinton's CIA director, Admiral Bobby Inman and David Kay, UN WMD inspector after Gulf War and Iraq 2003'. Another interesting note is that SAIC was the 9th largest gov't contractor in 2003' so take that for what it's worth.</p><p> </p><p>If anyone is unfamilar with the name SAIC then maybe this 2004' story from the Washington Post linked on (dare I say it) MSNBC about them will shed a bit of light on just what they do overall in their bidness.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4192760/from/RL.1#storyContinued" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4192760/from/RL.1#storyContinued</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p>Geez D, 2 Clinton boys. I thought your party was one of purity!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 400404, member: 2189"] Really? You really believe that myth? You need to have a serious talk then with your current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates who served on the National Security Council during the Carter adminstration and in his book states that this line in Carter's 1980' State of the Union speech was in fact a major factor and launch point for current US Middle East policy. The book is entitled, [I]From the Shadows: The Ultimate Insider's Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War.[/I] Simon & Schuster 1997 and is availble at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc. What did Gates say about Jimmy Carter? In 2005' former Carter Ambassador to Italy, Richard Gardner gave a Q&A to the Council on Foreign Relations entitled "Winning the Cold War, Jimmy Carter's forgotten role and during this Q&A, Gates own words were quoted: [URL="http://www.cfr.org/publication/9009/winning_the_cold_war_jimmy_carters_forgotten_role_rush_transcript_federal_news_service.html"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.cfr.org/publication/9009/winning_the_cold_war_jimmy_carters_forgotten_role_rush_transcript_federal_news_service.html[/B][/COLOR][/URL] In his book, Gates devotes much, much more including the importance of Jimmy Carter's 1980' speech in realtion to policy towards the Middle East and especially the Persian Gulf region. If you read Gates and others on historical policy, you could well say that your serving in Iraq came about by the policy of Jimmy Carter and that you owe him a debt of gratitude. Carter having made th region a spearpoint set the table for suceeding adminstrations to carry forward to where we now find ourselves today. Amazing how that all works out but don't feel to disgusted, I'm sure D and others here of the demonrat flavor are as repulsed as you to think it was one of their own who greenlighted Reagan, Bush 1 and of course Bush 2 in the region! :happy-very: Now for the case of Gates, that's one of your own boys there so you need to get ya'lls story straight! Gates names Carter as one of the 5 Presidents who gets credit for winning the ColdWar and notice again the title of the book, [B][I][U]The Ultimate Insider's Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War [/U][/I][/B]. Kinda hard to argue Carter was the great idiot when one of your own was there and is saying otherwise! Let's see, Gates is Sec. of Defense and republicon to boot so in effect ain't he your boss? And you are a good little soldier and folllow orders without question so there you go! Again :happy-very: BTW: It's come as accepted truth that Gates, a loyal republicon all these years was the leak to the Reagan/Bush campaign about the Carter deal to supply arms to Iran for release of the hostages. It's also believed he was the source of the leak to the media as well. He also had to withdraw his name from nomination in 1987' to head the CIA because of connections to Iran/Contra. I guess your loss was ultimately Texas A&M's gain. LOL! Just as a side note, Carter gets lots of blame for the economy of the late 70's and no doubt he made his mistakes but history paints a different picture when you consider Nixon killing Bretton-Woods in 71' and closing thr gold window for good and then instituting wage and price controls thereby freezing them in place. These socialistic actions create ripple and downstream effects that take time to roll out through the economic process and unfortunately Jimmy Carter got elected at a time when those waves finally came crashing onto the shore. I didn't vote for Jimmy either in 76' or 80' and the man's name is on my first driver's license so I got no dog in this fight but I don't believe it's truthful either to lay all blame on him when history clearly shows many manifestations during his watch on the economic side were not completely of his own doing. He made his mistakes but both republicons and demonrats can take credit there. Another interesting side note about Gates beyond his long gov't career with the CIA and his Presidency at Texas A&M, Gates has also served on the board of numerous companies including of interest, Parker Drilling, a global oil drilling company out of Houston Texas and Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). It works exclusively with such gov't agencies as DOD, Homeland Security, Intelligence Community including the NSA and along with Gates were the following other board members at various times for SAIC. Melvin Laird, Defense Sec. for Nixon, William Perry, Clinton's Defense Sec. and John Deutsch, Clinton's CIA director, Admiral Bobby Inman and David Kay, UN WMD inspector after Gulf War and Iraq 2003'. Another interesting note is that SAIC was the 9th largest gov't contractor in 2003' so take that for what it's worth. If anyone is unfamilar with the name SAIC then maybe this 2004' story from the Washington Post linked on (dare I say it) MSNBC about them will shed a bit of light on just what they do overall in their bidness. [URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4192760/from/RL.1#storyContinued"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4192760/from/RL.1#storyContinued[/B][/COLOR][/URL] Geez D, 2 Clinton boys. I thought your party was one of purity! [/QUOTE]
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