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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 400917" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>D,</p><p> </p><p>I can't speak for Lifer but in my case over the last several weeks I've heard 3 seperate women who have been life long democrats say they will vote for McCain. Of course I asked why and they gave their explainations and etc. etc. and these were serious Hillary supporters.</p><p> </p><p>HOWEVER, it wasn't until I heard Lynn de Rothschild yesterday on CNN say that Obama is an elitest that I realized these other women were saying the same thing but not as direct as Lynn did. At the time they said it, I didn't get it but it's was Lynn's words that made the lightbulb go off. I even called one of them on the phone last night and asked point blank and her having saw Lynn as well, she told me Lynn hit it dead on.</p><p> </p><p>Now whether you like that or not or whether you don't really like the fact that I talked about it and in some way you draw some conclusion from it, that's on you dude but the simple fact is I heard 3 other women who were traditional longtime democrats who said the same thing and it was Lynn who made me finally get it as to what they were really saying.</p><p> </p><p>If you don't like the logic of Lynn and these other ladies then all I can say is these are 4 democrats and how they feel so you know far better how a democrat thinks so you figure it out and make sense of it.</p><p> </p><p>Tie,</p><p> </p><p>If you mean am I picking sides in relationship to picking Obama over McCain or McCain over Obama? No, I'm not picking sides. I'm not voting for either because I think for all practical purpose they are not that different. Politics at that level is all about getting the right face before the public and then the political party drives the agenda behind the face based on what persons hold postiions of advisors, etc. to the President. The office of President is so massive and so complicated that no one person, no matter who they are could know everything and make the right call all by themselves. Presidents rely on an army of advisors and cabinet level secretaries to not only take public policy down into the bureacracy but more importantly feed info up so the President can make the most informed and right decision he can on the issue of public policy. </p><p> </p><p>This is also another reason IMO that candidates say and promise many things on the campaign trail but once in office do very different things. Obviously, scenarios change that effect promises (Bush 1 "Read My Lips" being a most infamous promise gone bad) but the real movers and shakers are the men and women behind the President and not the President specifically. You'll hear conservatives complain about Bush's spending policies while you'll hear liberals complain about Clinton's embrace in international economics such as NAFTA and WTO and we're talking loyal voters who voted for these guys. The problem was they listened to the stump speeches and bought every word instead of looking behind the candidate and once elected at those advisors and management appointees. Had they done so, the voter could then make a much more informed choice and when the acts differs from the stump speech, that voter will know why.</p><p> </p><p>Since you are a Bush kinda guy, the argue is 9/11 changed everything so Bush had to change. I don't buy that. Obviously 9/11 forced a change in direction and focus he'd not expected (sorry, I don't buy the 9/11 conspiracy stuff) but had Cheney and many others of his ilk not been there, it's possible we might not be in as bad of shape as we are now and that other courses might have been chosen. I'd even be willing to agree Osama bin Laden would be dead now. Imagine Osama dead and most of the recent federal debt never having been borrowed, how would things look across the board now? </p><p> </p><p>Even the Reagan/Bush 1 era guys were against Cheney and co.'s mad rush to Baghdad but history is what it is and we have to deal with it. But the lesson learned is to know the people that surrounds the Presidential candidate that you want to vote for. In the end, it will be they who shape policy more than any other thing. The Bush era should have taught us that most valuable lesson.</p><p> </p><p>Looking behind Obama and McCain, I'm not buying today. Your vote is like money you are about to invest in the market. Depending on your investment strategy, there are times to buy certain stocks, time to buy bonds, time to buy CD's and time to shall we say, buy gold. As it pertains to American politics, I'm only buying gold these days.</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 400917, member: 2189"] D, I can't speak for Lifer but in my case over the last several weeks I've heard 3 seperate women who have been life long democrats say they will vote for McCain. Of course I asked why and they gave their explainations and etc. etc. and these were serious Hillary supporters. HOWEVER, it wasn't until I heard Lynn de Rothschild yesterday on CNN say that Obama is an elitest that I realized these other women were saying the same thing but not as direct as Lynn did. At the time they said it, I didn't get it but it's was Lynn's words that made the lightbulb go off. I even called one of them on the phone last night and asked point blank and her having saw Lynn as well, she told me Lynn hit it dead on. Now whether you like that or not or whether you don't really like the fact that I talked about it and in some way you draw some conclusion from it, that's on you dude but the simple fact is I heard 3 other women who were traditional longtime democrats who said the same thing and it was Lynn who made me finally get it as to what they were really saying. If you don't like the logic of Lynn and these other ladies then all I can say is these are 4 democrats and how they feel so you know far better how a democrat thinks so you figure it out and make sense of it. Tie, If you mean am I picking sides in relationship to picking Obama over McCain or McCain over Obama? No, I'm not picking sides. I'm not voting for either because I think for all practical purpose they are not that different. Politics at that level is all about getting the right face before the public and then the political party drives the agenda behind the face based on what persons hold postiions of advisors, etc. to the President. The office of President is so massive and so complicated that no one person, no matter who they are could know everything and make the right call all by themselves. Presidents rely on an army of advisors and cabinet level secretaries to not only take public policy down into the bureacracy but more importantly feed info up so the President can make the most informed and right decision he can on the issue of public policy. This is also another reason IMO that candidates say and promise many things on the campaign trail but once in office do very different things. Obviously, scenarios change that effect promises (Bush 1 "Read My Lips" being a most infamous promise gone bad) but the real movers and shakers are the men and women behind the President and not the President specifically. You'll hear conservatives complain about Bush's spending policies while you'll hear liberals complain about Clinton's embrace in international economics such as NAFTA and WTO and we're talking loyal voters who voted for these guys. The problem was they listened to the stump speeches and bought every word instead of looking behind the candidate and once elected at those advisors and management appointees. Had they done so, the voter could then make a much more informed choice and when the acts differs from the stump speech, that voter will know why. Since you are a Bush kinda guy, the argue is 9/11 changed everything so Bush had to change. I don't buy that. Obviously 9/11 forced a change in direction and focus he'd not expected (sorry, I don't buy the 9/11 conspiracy stuff) but had Cheney and many others of his ilk not been there, it's possible we might not be in as bad of shape as we are now and that other courses might have been chosen. I'd even be willing to agree Osama bin Laden would be dead now. Imagine Osama dead and most of the recent federal debt never having been borrowed, how would things look across the board now? Even the Reagan/Bush 1 era guys were against Cheney and co.'s mad rush to Baghdad but history is what it is and we have to deal with it. But the lesson learned is to know the people that surrounds the Presidential candidate that you want to vote for. In the end, it will be they who shape policy more than any other thing. The Bush era should have taught us that most valuable lesson. Looking behind Obama and McCain, I'm not buying today. Your vote is like money you are about to invest in the market. Depending on your investment strategy, there are times to buy certain stocks, time to buy bonds, time to buy CD's and time to shall we say, buy gold. As it pertains to American politics, I'm only buying gold these days. :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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