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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 120732" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Excuse me Big Arrow but I think you left out one very important element here. In both Hitler's Germany and the Soviet Union, American Foreign Policy was very instrumental in creating both entities. America also was very instrumental in Saddam maintaining power for many years in Iraq and thanks to your aforementioned Soviet Union and Afghanistan, we armed and trained Osama Bin Laden via our CIA backing of the Afghan Mujahideen during the late 70's and early 80's. Even once the dust settled, we good ole' Americans backed the Taliban over the Northern Alliance to govern the now Soviet free Afghanistan. </p><p> </p><p>You also mentioned that our lives "don't really change" and then go on to say "you don't become a slave." As to our lives changing, on the surface, that's a pretty true statement but looking deeper I disagree. Our gov't operates off of 2 important principes and they are:</p><p> </p><p>1) Cause and Effect</p><p> </p><p>2) Legal Precedence</p><p> </p><p>In both cases, these operating principles work hand in hand and build upon one another. Most work in the halls of power in Washington DC today are really not about solving problems to their complete but rather reacting to repair what the powers that be have legislated and it failed, didn't work, etc. or in some case was never intended to work. Take some time and watch C-Span but look through the political hype, spin and party cheerleading and observe the simple fact that what they are doing is nothing more than repairing or modifying previous legislation that failed to work in the first place and in most cases the modification will make the problem, issue, cause even bigger thus expanding the bureaucracy, increasing the size and scope of gov't and having the fed. level perform in areas it was never intended to be involved in. </p><p> </p><p>Lastly, on not being slaves I could not more disagree but where we may differ is to define what a slave is. There are so many areas that you could scope in on but I will only highlight one because I do think it is one all can see if they use honest eyes. In the years and course of our gov't addressing these type issues that you brought up they have also engaged in a process that is nothing more than enslavement and that is the ever expanding of the National Debt. This debt grows by leaps and bounds by the second and neither political party has the guts to stand up and take the heat to begin the repair process. In fact, for some years now their solution around this has been to write IOU's from future generations and then surplant them for the current revenues of the Federal Employement Excise Tax. What the heck is Federal Employment Excise Tax you ask? We simpletons call it Social Security but in the legal books and the IRS Code this is the proper name and it spells out exactly what it is. You see, you once had a right to labor and the fruits from such endeavors but that is no more. That right is now a priviledge doled out by the gov't and thus taxed at a specified rate and failure to pay will lead to imprisonment and confiscation of ones lands and property. Sound fuedal like doesn't it? That's because it is!</p><p> </p><p>So in the end they look upon us as the surfs we are and to make matters worse, the very thing told to us to help take care of us in our old age is being wasted on Empire Building and our children and children's children must now slave to support us when the time comes. It's funny how many scream here of the inequity of the Teamster's Pension Funds but are gutless wonders to offer any criticism of an even far sinister system IMO.</p><p> </p><p>Had Clinton done what Bush has done or Gore having been elected and done the same I seriously doubt the same folks doing the flag waving today would be doing so if the roles were reversed. Man, would I love to find that doorway to our parallel universe and hangout with a video camera for a time just so we could see just how inconsistant as a society we have become!</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Jones,</p><p> </p><p>A Big AMEN there Brother! I know those comments won't get you invited to the next cookout or other hi-end affair among this bunch but dinner and a few beers are on me.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbup1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbup1:" title="Thumbup1 :thumbup1:" data-shortname=":thumbup1:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 120732, member: 2189"] Excuse me Big Arrow but I think you left out one very important element here. In both Hitler's Germany and the Soviet Union, American Foreign Policy was very instrumental in creating both entities. America also was very instrumental in Saddam maintaining power for many years in Iraq and thanks to your aforementioned Soviet Union and Afghanistan, we armed and trained Osama Bin Laden via our CIA backing of the Afghan Mujahideen during the late 70's and early 80's. Even once the dust settled, we good ole' Americans backed the Taliban over the Northern Alliance to govern the now Soviet free Afghanistan. You also mentioned that our lives "don't really change" and then go on to say "you don't become a slave." As to our lives changing, on the surface, that's a pretty true statement but looking deeper I disagree. Our gov't operates off of 2 important principes and they are: 1) Cause and Effect 2) Legal Precedence In both cases, these operating principles work hand in hand and build upon one another. Most work in the halls of power in Washington DC today are really not about solving problems to their complete but rather reacting to repair what the powers that be have legislated and it failed, didn't work, etc. or in some case was never intended to work. Take some time and watch C-Span but look through the political hype, spin and party cheerleading and observe the simple fact that what they are doing is nothing more than repairing or modifying previous legislation that failed to work in the first place and in most cases the modification will make the problem, issue, cause even bigger thus expanding the bureaucracy, increasing the size and scope of gov't and having the fed. level perform in areas it was never intended to be involved in. Lastly, on not being slaves I could not more disagree but where we may differ is to define what a slave is. There are so many areas that you could scope in on but I will only highlight one because I do think it is one all can see if they use honest eyes. In the years and course of our gov't addressing these type issues that you brought up they have also engaged in a process that is nothing more than enslavement and that is the ever expanding of the National Debt. This debt grows by leaps and bounds by the second and neither political party has the guts to stand up and take the heat to begin the repair process. In fact, for some years now their solution around this has been to write IOU's from future generations and then surplant them for the current revenues of the Federal Employement Excise Tax. What the heck is Federal Employment Excise Tax you ask? We simpletons call it Social Security but in the legal books and the IRS Code this is the proper name and it spells out exactly what it is. You see, you once had a right to labor and the fruits from such endeavors but that is no more. That right is now a priviledge doled out by the gov't and thus taxed at a specified rate and failure to pay will lead to imprisonment and confiscation of ones lands and property. Sound fuedal like doesn't it? That's because it is! So in the end they look upon us as the surfs we are and to make matters worse, the very thing told to us to help take care of us in our old age is being wasted on Empire Building and our children and children's children must now slave to support us when the time comes. It's funny how many scream here of the inequity of the Teamster's Pension Funds but are gutless wonders to offer any criticism of an even far sinister system IMO. Had Clinton done what Bush has done or Gore having been elected and done the same I seriously doubt the same folks doing the flag waving today would be doing so if the roles were reversed. Man, would I love to find that doorway to our parallel universe and hangout with a video camera for a time just so we could see just how inconsistant as a society we have become! Jones, A Big AMEN there Brother! I know those comments won't get you invited to the next cookout or other hi-end affair among this bunch but dinner and a few beers are on me. :thumbup1: [/QUOTE]
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