Disapointed at the American people

Discussion in 'Life After Brown' started by browniehound, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. browniehound

    browniehound Well-Known Member

    I will keep this short and to the point. What I witnessed on inauguration day 1/20/09 made me lose faith in our country.

    I didn't vote for President Obama but think its a wonderful feat by an african-american. Can we get past the color of his skin? He needs to lead our country through one of its worse times and all that I see on TV is people crying becuase of his ethicity and how great he is with words.

    What about his policies? Does anyone know what his polices are? I bet 90% of the people sobbing on TV have no idea what his voting record is.

    What disturbs me the most is he wants to close Quantanamo Bay and let 250 of the most dangerous and loathsome people a better existence. These are the people that want to kill your children and want to explode drity bombs in New York city.

    Its this reason why I support George Bush's presidency. We haven't had a terrorist attack in 7+ years. Al-queda is on the run and a shell of their former self. The Taliban is gone and so is Saddam Hussein.

    The Taliban harbored and supported terrorism. Saddam Hussein was worse than Hitler. Saddam gassed 500,000 of his own people. If he ever developed a nuclear weapon he would use it and kill tens of millions of people.

    What makes me sick though is we have millions of enemies. Just being a US citizens makes us enemies to the world and half of our citizens think George Bush is the enemy?
    I don't care if he was the worse president that ever lived. We needed to stand behind him and we didn't. He kept us safe for 7 years and you are happy an arab threw 2 shoes at him?

    I guess you are with the terrorists.
     
  2. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I will give you credit--it was short and to the point. It is the point that concerns me.
     
  3. Channahon

    Channahon New Member

    I am looking forward to seeing how Barack turns this country and economy around, and although I was not a Barack supporter, he has been elected to lead this country. He is one of the youngest presidents this country has seen, and that in itself, may help in new ideas and policies. I was travelling yesterday, and during a delay at an airport, people of all races were glued to the TV's as was I, and personally I felt a renewed spirit of patriotism. I do think he will be strong in accoutability of his staff.
    Time will tell how well he will do, and he knows how much help this country needs from an economical and renewed world respect.


    Barack's first day in the oval office was as follows:

    He froze salaries for top White House staff members, placed phone calls to Mideast leaders and had aides circulate a draft executive order that would close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay within a year.

    "The way to make government responsible is to hold it accountable," Obama said as he unveiled ethics rules that he portrayed as the fulfillment of a major campaign promise. He said the action was necessary "to help restore faith in government without which we cannot deliver the changes that we were sent here to make."

    Obama also issued an executive order that limits the ability of former presidents to block the release of sensitive records of their time in the White House.

    Obama's action Wednesday in his first full day in office overturns an earlier order issued by George W. Bush.

    Obama said former presidents may ask to have certain documents kept private, but they no longer may compel the National Archives to do so.

    Obama's executive order also makes clear that neither former vice presidents nor relatives of former presidents who have died have authority to keep records private.

    Bush's executive order, issued in November 2001, prompted a federal lawsuit and the partial invalidation of the order.

    Devoting swift attention to the Mideast turmoil, Obama prepared to give George Mitchell, the former Senate Democratic leader, a top diplomatic post for the region.

    In his phone calls to Israeli, Palestinian, Egyptian and Jordanian leaders, Obama emphasized that he would work to consolidate the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, said the new White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs.

    Gibbs said Obama expressed "his commitment to active engagement in pursuit of Arab-Israeli peace from the beginning of his term."

    The enormity of Obama's challenge on the economy was evident in the mixed messages coming from Capitol Hill.

    Rep. David Obey, chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, expressed doubt that the currently planned $825 billion economic stimulus package would be enough, calling the proposal "no silver bullet." At the same time, House Republicans requested a meeting with Obama to air their worries that the plan was too big.

    A multi-denominational prayer service at Washington National Cathedral and an open house at the presidential mansion were also on the schedule of the 44th president, taking office on a promise to fix the battered economy and withdraw U.S. troops from the unpopular war in Iraq on a 16-month timetable.

    The shift in administrations -- former President George W. Bush was back home in Texas -- was underscored in far-off Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where a judge granted Obama's request to suspend the war crimes trial of a young Canadian. The judge issued a one-sentence order for the 120-day continuance without so much as a hearing, possibly the beginning of the end for the former administration's system of trials for alleged terrorists.

    A draft executive order made clear the new president intends to go further. It called for closing the facility within a year, releasing some of the 245 detainees still there and transferring others to different sites for trial.

    Among Obama's executive orders:

    --A freeze on salaries for White House staff earning $100,000 or more -- about 100 people in all.

    --New Freedom of Information Act rules, making it harder to keep the workings of government secret.

    --Tighter ethics rules governing when administration officials can work on issues on which they previously lobbied governmental agencies, and banning them from lobbying the Obama administration after leaving government service.

    Obama and first lady Michelle Obama sat in the first row for Wednesday's invitation-only prayer service. Vice President Joe Biden and his wife, Jill, joined them, as did former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., awaiting confirmation as secretary of state later in the day.

    "Grant to Barack Obama, president of the United States, and to all in authority your grace and good will. Bless them with your heavenly gifts, give them wisdom and strength to know and to do your will," prayed the Rev. Andy Stanley, one of numerous clerics from several religions to speak.

    Obama's first White House meetings as president meshed with quickened efforts in Congress to add top Cabinet officials to the roster of those confirmed on Tuesday and to advance the economic stimulus measure that is a top priority of his administration.

    Treasury Secretary-designate Timothy Geithner, appearing before the Senate Finance Committee for a confirmation hearing, said enactment of the new president's economic stimulus was essential. He also said the Senate's decision last week to permit use of the second $350 installment of a financial industry bailout "will enable us to take the steps necessary to help get credit flowing."

    He said Obama and he "share your belief that this program needs serious reform."

    Geithner also apologized for his failure to pay personal taxes earlier in the decade, calling the omission a mistake. The taxes were repaid in stages, some after an IRS audit and the rest after a review of his returns late last year by Obama's transition team.

    Obama and his wife arrived at the White House around 1 a.m. after attending 10 official inaugural balls.

    Several hours later he walked into the most famous office in America for the first time as president.

    The new White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said in a statement that Obama spent 10 minutes alone and read a note left for him by Bush that was in an envelope marked "To: .44, From: .43."

    He was then joined by White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and, several minutes later, the first lady.

    Wednesday's meeting with economic advisers was coming at a time when 11 million Americans are out of work and millions more feel the loss of savings and face the prospect of foreclosures on their homes.

    Last week, Congress cleared the way for use of a second, $350 billion installment of financial-industry bailout money, a pre-inaugural victory for Obama.

    Democratic leaders hope to have the $825 billion economic stimulus measure to his desk by mid-February.

    "Fortunately, we've seen Congress immediately start working on the economic recovery package, getting that passed and putting people back to work," Obama said in an ABC News interview. "That's going to be the thing we'll be most focused on."

    The war in Iraq that he has promised to end featured prominently in Obama's first day as well.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, were among those called in for the meeting as the new president assumed the role of commander in chief.

    In his inaugural address on Tuesday, Obama said his goal was to "responsibly leave Iraq to its people and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan."

    The two unfinished wars are twinned for Obama. He has promised to bring U.S. combat troops out of Iraq within 16 months of taking office, as long as doing so wouldn't endanger either the Americans left behind for training and terrorism-fighting nor the security gains in Iraq. And he has said he would use that drawdown to bolster the U.S. presence in Afghanistan, where U.S.-backed fighters are losing ground against a resurgent Taliban.
     
  4. rushfan

    rushfan Well-Known Member

    Not an "o" supporter and wrote that much? I don't think so.

    My take is-He's elected, and we'll see what happens. I disagree with his voting record (such a long one) as a senator. His Socialist ideas trouble me-reassuring us that the government is to take care of us, so we don't have to do anything. Also his idea of having a domestic civilian protection force as strong as our military

    I am disgusted with everyone who is getting the willies and is infatuated with him-the news hacks, the so-called-journalists. There is no objective journalist any more. I'm surprised they didn't report when he took the first dump on the presidential throne. American Idol had more viewership than the Obama inauguration festivities did.

    Also, I am sick of people who said they didn't have an opportunity until Obama was sworn into office.

    I do not like his environmental policies regarding the "near extinct" Wolf. You have people who have never been to the west, let alone have ever camped in the west, making decisions from D.C.

    I didn't drink the Koolaid when W was in office, and I won't with BO.

    I will give him props when he does things good, and will disagree with him when he does things that are wrong-As I did with W.

    I'm waiting for the fad to end. I think for myself.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
  5. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    I didn't vote for him either, but he is the president and as such I will support him. It scares the hell out of me that he wants to close Gitmo.:dissapointed:
     
  6. BrownTail28

    BrownTail28 New Member

    I am in agreement with the fact that there has been way too much focus on the color of the mans skin. Yes, it is a historic time for the country, but I feel as though white people are happy with a change in president, and are not worried about the color of his skin, while african-americans are holding signs proclaiming that its "not the white house anymore". I saw a sign that said "my president is black!!". So if a white president is elected in 2012, can white people hold signs that say the same things without being racist? Am I going crazy here? Did I vote for him? No, I did not, but I will support him, because as an American, that is my duty. I hope he does well and succeeds....
     
  7. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    If the black people are saying he's black, they're wrong. He's only half black. He's also half white.

    I didn't vote for him because I think he's too in-experienced regardless of his color. A better "black candidate" would've been Michael Steele and he would've had my vote.

    Ok, we're stuck with him for at least 4 years, I crawl back into my cave and come out again when he's gone.
     
  8. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Exactly. You would be just as right calling him a white man. Try going into a black church and telling them he's a white man!
     
  9. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    You know what disgusted me? How members of the audience treated President Bush. Sitting on their hands instead of applauding. Chanting crap like it was a high school football game.

    No class.
     
  10. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    This morning I heard a rap by JayZ. It was the most racist thing. He really slammed Bush and made a big deal out of his prez. being black. It was disgusting !!
     
  11. Sammie

    Sammie Well-Known Member

    It's pathetic that so many see the color of a person first, or only focus on color period, and what can be done about that? But if you were in O's shoes, wouldn't you want people to give you a few months to see
    what you've got? No, I didn't vote for him and no, I will not agree with
    everything he does. But I was behind Bush much of the time and he made his share of blunders!

    O said many things during his campaign and we need to see if they will
    amount to anything. Some of my worries: this redistributing of money and issuing welfare won't give rise to prosperity and jobs, it will compensate deadbeats. As far as closing Gitmo, I totally agree. I never thought it made sense to use a facility in communist country, anyway, as Cuba is a shame for humanity. Yes, it's on one of our bases but detaining terrorists on U.S. soil seems a much better plan. The govt may keep the new location under wraps and I wouldn't blame them if they did. I've heard that Pendleton or Leavenworth may be the new spot, but the public may never know. And I don't think he plans on setting all the prisoners free, aren't the 250 being sorted out as to holding, prosecuting, transferring or releasing them?

    Not changing this Massive Wealth Transfer/Bail Out Plan would be a huge mistake. Unemployment %'s will most likely remain high. Layoffs no longer affect just the uneducated, white collar workers are now fair game, too. Home values are going down the crapper and a world wide recession is underway, something that confuses to me - we stumble, the world stumbles. In many ways it seems we're entering a New Dark Age.

    And if he wants to put the Gray Wolf back on the endangered species list, SO WHAT??? That's the least of his problems!

    Good Luck, O......
     
  12. browniehound

    browniehound Well-Known Member


    Actually Over, That is what I was trying to say. I'm not so great with words at times, hence my profession as a truck driver.

    UpstateNYUPSer wrote "I will give you credit--it was short and to the point. It is the point that concerns me. " I'm sorry NYUPSer but I think you misunderstood me.


    All I was trying to say was I will stand by whomever is president of the US. Its us against our enemies. After yesterday I feel its our enemies and US citizens that hate GWB against America.

    I'm deeply concerned about this. Bush was our elected president and the total disrespect many of our citizens (especially here in MA) had for him troubles me. I'm not here to argue politcs, I just wanted to voice this.

    We needed to be united as a country more in the last 7 years because of the war on terror than any other time in our 233 year history. Yet many people hated Bush so much that it appeared to me these people would love to see him fail even if it meant a victory by the terrorists in someway.

    I know there are americans that 'got a kick' out of an arab throwing 2 shoes at him. I found the incident to be a dispicable act and the man should be doing 30-life in prison.

    What would have Saddam have done to him, LOL? His entire family would have been executed that day! Then his hands and feet would be chopped off and made to suffer before he was mercifully executed.

    Here is a man that freeded him from a sadistic tyrant, which now allows him to write HIS own words in the newspaper and he thanks him by throwing his dirty, smelly shoe at him?



    If one american liked this incident then its one too many and you should be ashamed if you call yourself a patriot.

    I didn't vote for President Obama because of his policies not the color of his skin. Millions of people voted for him because the color of his skin and his excellent speaking skills, but these people have no idea about his politics. I'm sure millions don't know that he was a senator or for which state he served for.
     
  13. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  14. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    I dont think he is planning on just letting them go or giving them a "better existence". If they are indeed so horrible, then prove it. Put them on trial. If they are convicted of a crime, then punish them. Simply locking them up in a foreign country without any legal representation, or even being charged with a crime, is both legally and morally wrong.
     
  15. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Are you aware that there are several of the detainees that their crimes are so elevated and involved that it would be a breach in national security for them to be put on trial? The details of what, where and how would compromise our country.

    I really doubt that there are many, if any, at Gitmo that don't belong behind bars.
     
  16. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    And you know this? How?
    Are you saying that what they did was so terrible and awful that people must never find about it, lest we be somehow "compromised"?
     
  17. bigbrownhen

    bigbrownhen New Member

    I didn't vote for him either, but it wasn't because of the color of his skin or heritage or whatever, that should never matter in anything. Yes, this country has come along way when it comes to racism, but we aren't there yet. He does inspire people, so maybe he will make good on his intentions.

    As for Git-mo, we are a nation of equal rights, I know some of the "guest" there would rather blow us to bits, and the world along with it if given the chance, but somehow we have to do this right. We are the greatest nation in my humble opinion, there must be a way to put them on trial fairly, not that I have a clue how.

    Our foreign policy needs some work, the perception that we are the big bad wolf is unnecessary. Funny how all of these countries slamming us in the media have us on speed dial "just in case".....
     
  18. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Someone mentioned about putting Gitmo prisoners on Alcatraz. I think that's a great idea to put them in Pelosi's district and I would make them all work and refurbish the deserted prison and bring it back to a functioning prison. :peaceful:
     
  19. mattwtrs

    mattwtrs Retired Senior Member


    Great idea. Keep them out in the Bay with the currents and the other problems.
     
  20. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    So in other words, you believe that our government should be able to arrest anyone it wants to, chain and blindfold them, ship them off to an overseas base in and hold them indefinately....without filing charges, without giving them legal representation, and without affording them the right to a trial?