Disqualification documentation.

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Vinnie Figgs, Jan 11, 2015.

  1. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Asking all my fellow brothers. Does disqualification from Temporary Cover Driver require documentation just the same as any other disciplinary action.
     
  2. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    Do you mean self DQ or the company DQed you? Had you been qualified before or is this an initial attempt. DQ does not necessarily mean for disciplinary reasons. Usually not but for safety reasons or failure to follow proper procedures.
     
  3. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Ok I understand your point, so let me rephrase. Disqualification must be supported by documentation that is discussed to you by the center manager in the presence of a steward correct?
     
  4. scooby0048

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    Not necessarily. You can get DQ'd but they don't always show or tell you why. The conversation that you are being DQ'd should be in the presence of a steward though. Any steward worth his weight will want to know why and see if there is anything that can be fought.
     
  5. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    O Kay. I think I am following you now. You were DQed and want to know why. I think it is like your first 30 days. The company can DQ you for anything. If you want to fight it they will say it is because you are not safe driving. Since the Union and company agree that public safety is the most important consideration you will be toast.
     
  6. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Of but even still it needs to be documented in your 30 day book or something. I find it hard to believe that such action can take place without supporting documentation.

    If so then they could simply walk around and disqualify individuals at any point in time and for no reason.
     
  7. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    You are right. The company must show you are doing certain things wrong during a ride along. Not hard to do when you are a new driver. They must document things you are doing wrong. I have seen new drivers fight a DQ and they were given a second chance.
     
  8. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Yes I am familiar with all the arguments you guys are saying, all im asking is does anyone definitively know whether or no disqualification needs to be supported by documentation.

    Example: If a center manager decided to DQ someone without thier knowledge then whats to stop that individual from going up on the belt and just bumping a less senior driver.
     
  9. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    You can't prove the person was disqualified unless it was documented. And furthermore that person can't acknowledge said disqualification unless it was brought to his/her attention and the reasons for his/her disqualification were explained to them.
     
  10. burrheadd

    burrheadd Superstar

    I was trying to follow along
    but you lost me there
     
  11. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Ok say I'm your Center Manger, I disqualify you, but I never informed you that I disqualified you. Your not told you were DQd until you start filing grievances on less senior driver working.

    I guess my point is this ... without documentation that the DQ took place and for what reasons it took place ... then its essentially all hear say.
     
  12. burrheadd

    burrheadd Superstar

    Grieve it what's the worst that can happen
     
  13. Big Arrow Down...D

    Big Arrow Down...D Leave the gun,take the cannoli

    Vinnie.... You've been let go
     
  14. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    I am following you and you are right the company will have documentation as to why you are being DQed. Unless your management team are a bunch of 5th graders they know how to cover their butts.
     
  15. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Well I have all my paper worked lined up that shows I drove much longer then 30 days lol. No sup can provide documentation of my DQ, they don't have my 30 day book or anything other then payroll records for the purpose of attendance. But thats apples and oranges one has zero to do with the other.
     
  16. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Oh its been grieved, they tried to make a pre-panel deal and I declined it. So tell me what company makes deals when they know they are in the right? Sure as know this company doesn't.
     
  17. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Hell Ill take it to arbitration if I have too.
     
  18. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    You need to relax. If you drive the way you post it is no wonder you were DQed. Nothing any of us can do about it, except tell you to talk to your Business Agent at the hall. Just tell your story with just the facts and none of the hysteria. I have seen drivers DQed before that were given a second chance because of management not following procedures.
     
  19. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    How long have you worked for UPS?
     
  20. Strength In Numbers

    Strength In Numbers New Member

    Going on 13 yrs