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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 843839" data-attributes="member: 14596"><p>I get all that, and do not disagree with it. I understand the chaos that could follow by having every front line supervisor calling doctors and looking for recerts and verification of FMLA, I understand the need for one point of contact in HR. It is necessary and good for people using the system legitimately. Unfortunately, it is also good for the abusers, as our one district HR nurse is not just sitting around waiting for the opportunity to follow up on suspected abuse. If someone is abusing the system to begin with, they have already gotten the buy in from their doctor, and the doctor is the one with final say on this when you really look at it.</p><p>You do seem to understand the letter of the FMLA rules quite well. You apparently do not know much about the real world application of them. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>This is one way to look at it, they are just taking contractually provided days of earlier than expected. Another way to look at it, and another way it is used occasionally, is to get those contractually provided days out of seniority order. If I can allow 12 people a day to have a discretionary day or vacation day at a time, and Mr. Approved-for-2-days-a-week-for-migraines. wants the Friday before the memorial day weekend off as a discretionary, I will tell him sorry, 12 people with more seniority already have that day off. I of course realize he is going to have a migraine that day and will not be there anyway, along with his chums irritable bowels, manic depression and ingrown toenail. 'Course, I won't have to worry about steward JonFrum filling a grievance that day when I have to put my part time sups to work to get the job done (yes, this is after calling in drivers early), or will I?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yes, the abusers using FMLA to get 3 day weekends are the same ones who used to call in on fridays and mondays to get the 3 day weekends. The difference is, once they have used up all their allotted sick days, when they continued to call in, they were disciplined for it. No discipline can be issued for FMLA use. They are abusing this great system to get away with unexcused absences. You seem to be fine with that, or refuse to believe it is or could be happening. As I said earlier, I do not believe you know much about the way this law is actually being utilized in our operations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 843839, member: 14596"] I get all that, and do not disagree with it. I understand the chaos that could follow by having every front line supervisor calling doctors and looking for recerts and verification of FMLA, I understand the need for one point of contact in HR. It is necessary and good for people using the system legitimately. Unfortunately, it is also good for the abusers, as our one district HR nurse is not just sitting around waiting for the opportunity to follow up on suspected abuse. If someone is abusing the system to begin with, they have already gotten the buy in from their doctor, and the doctor is the one with final say on this when you really look at it. You do seem to understand the letter of the FMLA rules quite well. You apparently do not know much about the real world application of them. This is one way to look at it, they are just taking contractually provided days of earlier than expected. Another way to look at it, and another way it is used occasionally, is to get those contractually provided days out of seniority order. If I can allow 12 people a day to have a discretionary day or vacation day at a time, and Mr. Approved-for-2-days-a-week-for-migraines. wants the Friday before the memorial day weekend off as a discretionary, I will tell him sorry, 12 people with more seniority already have that day off. I of course realize he is going to have a migraine that day and will not be there anyway, along with his chums irritable bowels, manic depression and ingrown toenail. 'Course, I won't have to worry about steward JonFrum filling a grievance that day when I have to put my part time sups to work to get the job done (yes, this is after calling in drivers early), or will I? Yes, the abusers using FMLA to get 3 day weekends are the same ones who used to call in on fridays and mondays to get the 3 day weekends. The difference is, once they have used up all their allotted sick days, when they continued to call in, they were disciplined for it. No discipline can be issued for FMLA use. They are abusing this great system to get away with unexcused absences. You seem to be fine with that, or refuse to believe it is or could be happening. As I said earlier, I do not believe you know much about the way this law is actually being utilized in our operations. [/QUOTE]
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