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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1234151" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>If this were baseball, the announcer would say:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">SSSWWWWWIIIIIINNNNGGGGG </span>and a miss!</p><p></p><p>Hoax toes the rubber............</p><p></p><p>This thread is good for the laughs but otherwise pretty sad. If you'd like to learn a bit about the bible itself, beyond taking the time to actually read it which you should before making statements either way about it, you might consider Professor Christine Haynes 24 lecture series on the Old Testament. Dr. Haynes, Robert friend. and Patricia Ross Weis Professor of Religious Studies at Yale University as well as Chair of the Religious Studies Department, made her course on Old Testament open source and the entire 24 lectures are on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">YouTube</span></a> and well worth the view IMO. </p><p></p><p>If over 20 hours of lecture is to much, likely I'm sure, then maybe 3 hours is a bit more manageable. Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou, Professor of Hebrew Bible and Ancient Religion, University of Exeter in England did a 3 part series for the BBC entitled <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA5338FF13C784DD0" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Bibles Buried Secrets</span></a> which is also excellent, especially on the question of history and archeology. </p><p></p><p>You can also search YouTube for former Pentecostal preacher and now Professor of Religious Studies at Iowa State Hector Avalos on his talk, "How Archeology Killed Biblical History." Or theologian Dr. Robert M. Price who holds Phd's in Systematic Theology and New Testament as well as being a former baptist preacher. Dr. Price was also one of the 150 fellows who made up the research known as the Jesus Seminar. A YouTube search will reveal a lot of his talks. I posted a radio interview with Dr. Price in another thread but for whatever reason that entire thread got deleted.</p><p></p><p>And to GingerKat, disagree that the bible is a terrible read. Once you understand how it was written and the back story, it's actually a very interesting read. Google the "Documentary Hypothesis" sometimes called the Wellhausen Hypothesis and go from there. As Professor Hayes points out, when you understand the bible, Old Testament in her case, as not a book but as a library, then it starts to open up more and more and you'll go well beyond the bible if you dare follow that course.</p><p></p><p>Personally I think the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hammadi blow the lid off what we think we know about the bible and of which we get our narrative of the times of Jesus. Beyond scholarship it's little known and best kept that way if maintaining the status quo is the goal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1234151, member: 2189"] If this were baseball, the announcer would say: [SIZE=4]SSSWWWWWIIIIIINNNNGGGGG [/SIZE]and a miss! Hoax toes the rubber............ This thread is good for the laughs but otherwise pretty sad. If you'd like to learn a bit about the bible itself, beyond taking the time to actually read it which you should before making statements either way about it, you might consider Professor Christine Haynes 24 lecture series on the Old Testament. Dr. Haynes, Robert friend. and Patricia Ross Weis Professor of Religious Studies at Yale University as well as Chair of the Religious Studies Department, made her course on Old Testament open source and the entire 24 lectures are on [URL='https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi'][COLOR=#ff0000]YouTube[/COLOR][/URL] and well worth the view IMO. If over 20 hours of lecture is to much, likely I'm sure, then maybe 3 hours is a bit more manageable. Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou, Professor of Hebrew Bible and Ancient Religion, University of Exeter in England did a 3 part series for the BBC entitled [URL='https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA5338FF13C784DD0'][COLOR=#ff0000]Bibles Buried Secrets[/COLOR][/URL] which is also excellent, especially on the question of history and archeology. You can also search YouTube for former Pentecostal preacher and now Professor of Religious Studies at Iowa State Hector Avalos on his talk, "How Archeology Killed Biblical History." Or theologian Dr. Robert M. Price who holds Phd's in Systematic Theology and New Testament as well as being a former baptist preacher. Dr. Price was also one of the 150 fellows who made up the research known as the Jesus Seminar. A YouTube search will reveal a lot of his talks. I posted a radio interview with Dr. Price in another thread but for whatever reason that entire thread got deleted. And to GingerKat, disagree that the bible is a terrible read. Once you understand how it was written and the back story, it's actually a very interesting read. Google the "Documentary Hypothesis" sometimes called the Wellhausen Hypothesis and go from there. As Professor Hayes points out, when you understand the bible, Old Testament in her case, as not a book but as a library, then it starts to open up more and more and you'll go well beyond the bible if you dare follow that course. Personally I think the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hammadi blow the lid off what we think we know about the bible and of which we get our narrative of the times of Jesus. Beyond scholarship it's little known and best kept that way if maintaining the status quo is the goal. [/QUOTE]
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