Drivers who pass away shortly after retirement

ITwannabe

Well-Known Member
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I truly wish no one had their pensions cut, but....isn't this one backwards a little?
The retirees, many of whom can't work again, are getting cut 33% and they're more vulnerable than current workers, who are cut 20%, but many of these still have an option to change plans, retirement date, etc.
This should be a lesson to all future and young drivers....save your own money...Roth IRA etc....I see so many people get hired on who buy a new luxury car or truck and anything else you can think of their first year of driving...investing and saving is more important when you are young because you can be more aggressive with it. They seem to think aggressive means buying things that depreciate in value.

To each his own I guess
 

dudebro

Well-Known Member
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This should be a lesson to all future and young drivers....save your own money...Roth IRA etc....I see so many people get hired on who buy a new luxury car or truck and anything else you can think of their first year of driving...investing and saving is more important when you are young because you can be more aggressive with it. They seem to think aggressive means buying things that depreciate in value.

To each his own I guess
This is true.

Lots of people talk about investment methods, but not enough people talk about RISK MANAGEMENT in investments. There are hidden risks all over the place.
1) INFLATION risk. People worry about stock market risk so they invest in a savings account at 0.7% "guaranteed" not to lose face value. They brag out how smart they are, and that they'd rather play it safe than invest their money in the "rigged casino" that is the stock market. They point to brief market crashes as proof of their wisdom. The truth is, if inflation is 3% and your interest earned is 0.7%, you're actually "guaranteed" to lose purchasing power with these "NO RISK" investments. And those "NO RISK" investments turn around and invest your money in the "casino" so they can turn a profit!
2) LEGAL / GOVERNMENT risk. Right now Roth IRAs are capital gains tax free. 401ks and traditional IRAs are often tax deferred. ALL of this is legal fiction. Congress could pass a law tomorrow that changes all of this.
3) UNFUNDED LIABILITY risk. So, Congress, or UPS, or the Teamsters promised you a salary when you retire for the rest of your (or your beneficiary's) life. But what if you get there to collect that pension, or SS check, and those same entities tell you "Sorry, there's no money for that, we spent it elsewhere".
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
I truly wish no one had their pensions cut, but....isn't this one backwards a little?
The retirees, many of whom can't work again, are getting cut 33% and they're more vulnerable than current workers, who are cut 20%, but many of these still have an option to change plans, retirement date, etc.

Retirees are averaging $6-7.5K/month, hence the deeper cuts.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
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They put the money and time in they shouldn't be robbed of their reward that the end....it's their money....

Actually no.

They were fortunate in that our pension was overfunded and they were the beneficiaries of a raise in their monthly payments. Many are earning more in retirement than they did while working.
 

over9five

Moderator
Staff member
Actually no.

They were fortunate in that our pension was overfunded and they were the beneficiaries of a raise in their monthly payments. Many are earning more in retirement than they did while working.
True. The plans short term thinking screwed them, and will eventually screw us all.
 

ManInBrown

Well-Known Member
It makes me wonder about all these young employees who just starting driving. They have much heavier days, longer days, and a lot heavier box s compared to the guys who started 30 years ago. And the guys(some of them) who started 30 years ago are passing away soon after retirement. I would imagine to see this trend more and more? Just goes to show you how stressful and physical UPS driving is. Maybe coorporate should look at that statistic since they seem to like stats so much ...
The could not care less. We are all just a body. Here today, gone tomorrow to them. They'll find another warm body to get the job done
 

ITwannabe

Well-Known Member
Actually no.

They were fortunate in that our pension was overfunded and they were the beneficiaries of a raise in their monthly payments. Many are earning more in retirement than they did while working.
Really? I didn't know that....so what should be a realistic figure for monthly collections?
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
Not quite that drastic but pretty damn close.

No, I am in the Upstate NY Teamsters Pension Plan and our proposed cuts are 20% for actives, 33% for retirees and 50% for orphans.

One of our recently retired drivers was supposed to get $5,400/month. He is divorced and his ex gets half, bringing him down to $2,700. 33% of $2,700 is $900 which brings his pension down to the grand total of $1,800/month.
That's good livin'..... In Mississippi !!
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
Monkey ass has said in the past that he has inquired about the death rates Of retirees from one of his ladies at the home office and she said most live long healthy lives....I'm just stating what he said..
 
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