DWS vs AW

TRIP, welcome to DC politics.

I assume you will then admit reagan ran a deficit in every year that he was president leaving a 3.7 national debt , correct? Or are you going to tell me how the "great communicator" was a fiscal genious as FOXED SPEWS trys to say.

One thing is for certain, take away the surplus, there was no deficit. So start BUSH at Zero and calculate the % of increase in national debt ending at 10.7 trillion and a complete freefall of the american economy and post the increase number for us all to see and then compare to Obamas increase.

The difference between the two is simple. ONE president was increasing debt (BUSH) and running this country into the ground, the other (Obama) has raised the debt trying to save the nation from a depression, tell me this isnt the case.

Peace.
It is a case of 0bama's debt and spending numbers are higher than they have ever been and...AND...so are the unemployment numbers. Look at the bottom line, if you can see that high.

Go on and keep using the fuzzy math with made up numbers all you want, this country is in dire straights and your president is playing freakin games. He really likes to criticize the speaker of walking out on the talks a few days ago, but everyone(on the left) conveniently forget that 0 walked out of talks a couple of weeks ago. Your man is playing re-election campaign tricks with OUR economy and the leftest puppets refuse to see. That IS the case.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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Chance of actual default.......0% It's a scare tactic. We have the money coming in to pay bills (bonds).

The perception of a default or the indecision of our government can be almost as bad as an actual default, especially in the Asian stock markets. The Chinese have a lot riding on this.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Who gives a crap about the Chinese ?? We've got more riding on this. Let's think about us and the U.S. for once.
 

The Other Side

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It is a case of 0bama's debt and spending numbers are higher than they have ever been and...AND...so are the unemployment numbers. Look at the bottom line, if you can see that high.

Go on and keep using the fuzzy math with made up numbers all you want, this country is in dire straights and your president is playing freakin games. He really likes to criticize the speaker of walking out on the talks a few days ago, but everyone(on the left) conveniently forget that 0 walked out of talks a couple of weeks ago. Your man is playing re-election campaign tricks with OUR economy and the leftest puppets refuse to see. That IS the case.

TRIP,

Its amazing how focused republicans are this time around with spending. Under Reagan, he raised the debt limits over and over running up 3.7 trillion in debt and walked out without it being paid, he stole from social security to pay other bills and YOU ALL are cool with that.

Bush 1 did the same and stole from social security to pay down the enormous debt he raised and YOU ALL are cool with that.

BUSH2 raised the debt limit 9 times, stole from social security, started 2 wars that still go unpaid, passed a prescription drug bill of a half trillion that is unpaid, crashed wall street, crashed the housing market, crashed unemployment, crashed everyones 401K, exported over 11 million jobs and YOU ALL are cool with it.

What impact do you think the 8 years of the BUSH2 administrations failures have in todays economy? How long do you think this impact extends into this new administration? Reagan was still blaming Carter 4 years into his presidency.

The president is making clear sense. The top 1% pay a share of the burden and the repubicans can cut medicare, social security and every other social program they want, but to be balanced, the top 1% needs to go back to the tax rates of the Clinton Administration.

Under 8 years of BUSH2, and with those same beloved tax cuts for the top 1%, NO JOBS WERE CREATED. Those tax cuts drove the debt UPWARDS 3.5 trillion dollars.

The extension of those tax cuts for 2 years added another 800 billion dollars to the current deficit. If they are extended again, those same tax cuts will add another 3 trillion dollars over 10 years.

The republicans are clearly holding the american economy hostage to protect those tax cuts. At all costs, they will protect those cuts even if it means defaulting.

They would rather see all americans impacted with higher interest rates from everything from credit cards to home loans. This is inevitable. This isnt about social security checks, this is about an immediate increase in our interests rates on everything we have on credit and that amounts to an instant tax increase on every single american.

Once that happens, the economy will freefall once again and a new recession will hit our country and the world. This time, another recession will crash the stock market and wipe out whatever 401k programs remain, run gas prices up to 150 a barrel and 5.50 a gallon at the pumps, cause unemployment to rise to levels unseen since the great depression and put our country in jeopardy.

And for what? Republican politics?

We are a nation, and this nation needs to work as a team to keep the future bright. Deliberately attempting to kill the country's economy just to gain some leverage in next years election and make every american pay for it is a ridiculous tactic.

The hardest hit will be the elderly, the rest of us are young enough to survive, but seniors who are about to see huge cut in their social security, medicare to the tune of 6%. This will devastate them, yet the republicans continue to say they are helping them out.

Give me a break.

Peace.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
TRIP,

Its amazing how focused republicans are this time around with spending. Under Reagan, he raised the debt limits over and over running up 3.7 trillion in debt and walked out without it being paid, he stole from social security to pay other bills and YOU ALL are cool with that.
You know, times and circumstances change from pres. to pres....especially as far back as Reagan.

Bush 1 did the same and stole from social security to pay down the enormous debt he raised and YOU ALL are cool with that.

BUSH2 raised the debt limit 9 times, stole from social security, started 2 wars that still go unpaid, passed a prescription drug bill of a half trillion that is unpaid, crashed wall street, crashed the housing market, crashed unemployment, crashed everyones 401K, exported over 11 million jobs and YOU ALL are cool with it.

Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling and said it showed the sign of an irresponsible president.........those words come back to bit his ***!

What impact do you think the 8 years of the BUSH2 administrations failures have in todays economy? How long do you think this impact extends into this new administration? Reagan was still blaming Carter 4 years into his presidency.

The president is making clear sense. The top 1% pay a share of the burden and the repubicans can cut medicare, social security and every other social program they want, but to be balanced, the top 1% needs to go back to the tax rates of the Clinton Administration.

Under 8 years of BUSH2, and with those same beloved tax cuts for the top 1%, NO JOBS WERE CREATED. Those tax cuts drove the debt UPWARDS 3.5 trillion dollars.

The extension of those tax cuts for 2 years added another 800 billion dollars to the current deficit. If they are extended again, those same tax cuts will add another 3 trillion dollars over 10 years.

The republicans are clearly holding the american economy hostage to protect those tax cuts. At all costs, they will protect those cuts even if it means defaulting.
The president is using scare tactics and threatening to not send out social security checks. He threatens old people all the time, just like with his healthcare.

They would rather see all americans impacted with higher interest rates from everything from credit cards to home loans. This is inevitable. This isnt about social security checks, this is about an immediate increase in our interests rates on everything we have on credit and that amounts to an instant tax increase on every single american.

Once that happens, the economy will freefall once again and a new recession will hit our country and the world. This time, another recession will crash the stock market and wipe out whatever 401k programs remain, run gas prices up to 150 a barrel and 5.50 a gallon at the pumps, cause unemployment to rise to levels unseen since the great depression and put our country in jeopardy.


And for what? Republican politics?

We are a nation, and this nation needs to work as a team to keep the future bright. Deliberately attempting to kill the country's economy just to gain some leverage in next years election and make every american pay for it is a ridiculous tactic.
The pres. is the only one doing campaigning........every word out of his mouth is geared to his re-election attempts.

The hardest hit will be the elderly, the rest of us are young enough to survive, but seniors who are about to see huge cut in their social security, medicare to the tune of 6%. This will devastate them, yet the republicans continue to say they are helping them out.
Oh, and you probably felt so bad when the Dems stripped Medicare of $500 billion to fund Obamacare!!!


Give me a break.

Peace.
 

raceanoncr

Well-Known Member
Give me a break.

Peace.

YEAH! Give me a break, too!

How bout answering my question in the "High Speed Rail" thread? Where's Metrolink ridership figures NOW?

An editorial in today's local paper states in referring to Carmageddon, "But turning what happened that weekend into an L.A. lifestyle? Not likely."

C'mon! You're very good at dodging answers to questions such as these. Must be a Democratic brainwashing tactic.

Sorry for the brief hijack.

Peace and Nitromethane
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
TRIP,

Its amazing how focused republicans are this time around with spending. Under Reagan, he raised the debt limits over and over running up 3.7 trillion in debt and walked out without it being paid, he stole from social security to pay other bills and YOU ALL are cool with that.

Bush 1 did the same and stole from social security to pay down the enormous debt he raised and YOU ALL are cool with that.

BUSH2 raised the debt limit 9 times, stole from social security, started 2 wars that still go unpaid, passed a prescription drug bill of a half trillion that is unpaid, crashed wall street, crashed the housing market, crashed unemployment, crashed everyones 401K, exported over 11 million jobs and YOU ALL are cool with it.

What impact do you think the 8 years of the BUSH2 administrations failures have in todays economy? How long do you think this impact extends into this new administration? Reagan was still blaming Carter 4 years into his presidency.

The president is making clear sense. The top 1% pay a share of the burden and the repubicans can cut medicare, social security and every other social program they want, but to be balanced, the top 1% needs to go back to the tax rates of the Clinton Administration.

Under 8 years of BUSH2, and with those same beloved tax cuts for the top 1%, NO JOBS WERE CREATED. Those tax cuts drove the debt UPWARDS 3.5 trillion dollars.

The extension of those tax cuts for 2 years added another 800 billion dollars to the current deficit. If they are extended again, those same tax cuts will add another 3 trillion dollars over 10 years.

The republicans are clearly holding the american economy hostage to protect those tax cuts. At all costs, they will protect those cuts even if it means defaulting.

They would rather see all americans impacted with higher interest rates from everything from credit cards to home loans. This is inevitable. This isnt about social security checks, this is about an immediate increase in our interests rates on everything we have on credit and that amounts to an instant tax increase on every single american.

Once that happens, the economy will freefall once again and a new recession will hit our country and the world. This time, another recession will crash the stock market and wipe out whatever 401k programs remain, run gas prices up to 150 a barrel and 5.50 a gallon at the pumps, cause unemployment to rise to levels unseen since the great depression and put our country in jeopardy.

And for what? Republican politics?

We are a nation, and this nation needs to work as a team to keep the future bright. Deliberately attempting to kill the country's economy just to gain some leverage in next years election and make every american pay for it is a ridiculous tactic.

The hardest hit will be the elderly, the rest of us are young enough to survive, but seniors who are about to see huge cut in their social security, medicare to the tune of 6%. This will devastate them, yet the republicans continue to say they are helping them out.

Give me a break.

Peace.

When I got home last night I happen to catch the repeat showing of Freedom Watch with Judge Napolitano and of course the current budget/debt situation was topic 1. As to your point about Reagan raising the debt ceiling, the Judge made that same point by making note it was done during Reagan's years a total of 18 times. A graph (you know I have strong urge to spell that GRAFT) anywho, a graph was displayed showing the debt on a modest (modest only when compared to now) increase from Carter through Clinton but starting with Bush, the line went near vertical and remains so even now. Democrats blame republicans and republicans blame democrats but sadly the American people get caught up in this con that is nothing more than a WWE interview between faces and heels and the media plays the part of the announcer who only stokes the whole process.

Let's not forget that even during Reagan, except for a brief 2 year period only in the Senate, the democrat party owned the US Congress so to Reagan's crimes and they are a many, he did have a willing partner too. Stop ignoring this important fact which allows these bastards to use it as cover when the blame game begins.

I think we should default, have said so and continue to think this is the only real option left and anything other than this is just kicking the GAWD DA#N can down the road. There really is Life after Default. The only one's this may not be true for is the oligarchy itself. The dollar is now below $.04 in value when compared to it's purchasing power when the first Federal Reserve notes (you wrongly call dollars) rolled out in 1914'. With further inflation of the money supply via debt, I think the true value is at or near zero and the only thing keeping it going is just the illusion of faith.

If you look at who the money is really owed too, "NOT DEFAULTING" IMO is nothing more than TARP by another name! But then if you understand that what you call money and you hold in your hand is nothing more than a book keeping entry, an illusion and a fiction that like gods, only exist in the real because you've been conditioned to have faith.

Read Modern Money Mechanics and start becoming a fiat currency atheist!

Here's a visual aid to help understand where we really are. If this were a person instead of a state, would your advice to this person be to get their credit limit raised in order to add to this mountain or would you tell them that a massive cut in lifestyle was in order or even some form of default eg bankruptcy was the only option left. If massive lifestyle cuts or default were the only answer for the person, then why is the same answer not applicable to a state in the same condition?
 

The Other Side

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The republicans have played politics with this budget for months now. In addition to protecting tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, they have deliberately hindered these negotiations as long as possible in order to reach the deadline and then pass a temporary bill that would "extend the period" to argue about the budget going into 2012 and just before the national election.

The reason? The 2012 election for the white house.

Dragging it out, failing to agree, coming on FOXED SPEWS and making sound bites that make them the heros only takes us closer and closer to default. At americans expense, the republicans will take this to the wire and then pass a short term budget for 6 months that accomplishes nothing and gives them the opportunity to talk and argue about the budget going into 2012. We will be in the same boat a year from now and the argueing will start all over again.

THe only difference is, ALL AMERICANS will pay for the strategy.

Tanking the economy is the goal of the republicans. They feel that if they can keep the economy in the toilet, they will benefit.

Americans are not that stupid.

Peace.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
"...... The republicans have played politics with this budget for months now....."

Over 800 days with no budget.......democrats have failed to pass budget for over 2 years !!! Get your facts straight!
 
The republicans have played politics with this budget for months now. In addition to protecting tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, they have deliberately hindered these negotiations as long as possible in order to reach the deadline and then pass a temporary bill that would "extend the period" to argue about the budget going into 2012 and just before the national election.

The reason? The 2012 election for the white house.

Dragging it out, failing to agree, coming on FOXED SPEWS and making sound bites that make them the heros only takes us closer and closer to default. At americans expense, the republicans will take this to the wire and then pass a short term budget for 6 months that accomplishes nothing and gives them the opportunity to talk and argue about the budget going into 2012. We will be in the same boat a year from now and the argueing will start all over again.

THe only difference is, ALL AMERICANS will pay for the strategy.

Tanking the economy is the goal of the republicans. They feel that if they can keep the economy in the toilet, they will benefit.

Americans are not that stupid.

Peace.

Don't even try to act like you man hasn't been playing campaign games, every time he talks that's what it is about not whatever topic he wants everyone to think. It has been 0bama who gets a prospective deal made and then ups the anti at the last minute. 0bama is the one that is pushing for a fix that goes beyond the elections so he can claim he's saved the country again, when in fact he hasn't saved a dang thing. If 0 has his way ALL AMERICANS are going to pay, well except the ones that don't work.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
The republicans have played politics with this budget for months now. In addition to protecting tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, they have deliberately hindered these negotiations as long as possible in order to reach the deadline and then pass a temporary bill that would "extend the period" to argue about the budget going into 2012 and just before the national election.
The Republicans have been setting forth plans all along only to be poo-poo'ed by Obama & Reid. The Democrats had their first written attempt at a deficit plan within the past 48 hours.

The reason? The 2012 election for the white house.
Obama is the one who is worried about all this affecting his re-election and he should be worried.

Dragging it out, failing to agree, coming on FOXED SPEWS and making sound bites that make them the heros only takes us closer and closer to default. At americans expense, the republicans will take this to the wire and then pass a short term budget for 6 months that accomplishes nothing and gives them the opportunity to talk and argue about the budget going into 2012. We will be in the same boat a year from now and the argueing will start all over again.
The downgrade is inevitable....get over it! If there's a plan for 6 months only, it'll really piss off Obama because that'll put a real damper on his campaigning. He knows he has to run on his record and it's not looking good.

THe only difference is, ALL AMERICANS will pay for the strategy.
Obama too!!

Tanking the economy is the goal of the republicans. They feel that if they can keep the economy in the toilet, they will benefit.
Dems were already letting the economy tank with their spendthrift ways........they are just pouting because Republicans are listening to Americans and putting a stop to it!

Americans are not that stupid.
A lot of them are, they voted for Obama......but a lot have since recovered, thank Allah!!

Peace.
Pees
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Who would be affected if we quit buying anything marked "made in China"? .....we own them!! They may be landlords, but landlords get stiffed all the time.

People act like there's no income coming in.

You sholuld be screaming more about UPS being down over $2.50 today after a decent earnings report.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
Who would be affected if we quit buying anything marked "made in China"? .....we own them!! They may be landlords, but landlords get stiffed all the time.

People act like there's no income coming in.

You sholuld be screaming more about UPS being down over $2.50 today after a decent earnings report.

I don't own UPS stock.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Allen West “Reconsidering” Membership In Congressional Black Caucus membership
I wouldn’t give them the satisfaction, they never wanted him in the first place.
(Washington Times) — After watching several video clips on Wednesday of fellow black lawmakers attack the tea party, Rep. Allen West, Florida Republican, told Fox and Friends host Steve Doocy, “I think I’m re-considering my membership in the Congressional Black Caucus.”
This remark came from Rep. West, a popular lawmaker among tea party activists, happened after a clip was played of Rep. Andre. Carson, Indiana Democrat, told an audience in Miami that tea-party supporting members of Congress look at African Americans as “second-class citizens” and would like to see them “hanging on a tree.”

Congressman West immediately defended the tea party and called Rep. Carson’s statements “reprehensible.” Rep. West is the only Republican who is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus
 
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