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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 482387" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>JimJimmyJames;</p><p> </p><p>I'm trying real hard to visualize corporations (which are the major employers of workers in this country) as "unassailable". Is GM "unassailable"? Is Ford? Is Chrysler? Is YRCW? How about the list of the largest 100 trucking companies - the vast majority of which were "unionized" of a couple of decades back? Or REA? Or the textile firms that once dotted the NE and then the South? Or ("organized") steel companies like U.S. Steel and Bethlehem?</p><p> </p><p>That's just a beginning, of course....as I'm sure you well know, I could go on and on list "unassailable" corporations that supposedly "exploited" workers....while providing the means of MAKING A LIVING for literally MILLIONS of them until the unions (which, according to your view, prevented them from being exploited) actually DID "exploit" the workers in the most reprehensible way; i.e. - took a way their means of making a living.</p><p> </p><p>In short, in case you hadn't noticed, corporations in this country are very, VERY "assailable", and their very existence is quite delicate. And if they don't exist, then the jobs they provide won't exist, either.</p><p> </p><p>Fact is, the job-givers of this nation don't have the power now (let alone "unassailable" power) they need to continue serving the function that they have throughout the major part of this country's history; i.e. - to be the economic driving force that provides JOBS for the country's citizenry. Instead, they've been entangled by short-sighted "unionists" who think that - outside of all logic - there somehow is a "free lunch" available.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry, but there's no such thing as a "free lunch"; somebody has to pay. And I'm afraid that if the "organized" labor in this country isn't inclined to "pay" for it's own (i.e. - EARN it's way via being competitive), then in the long term it's going to go hungry. And, in response to your comment earlier, THAT is the way to create SUSTAINABLE wealth; i.e. - EARN IT! By that I mean that "organized" needs to give corporate employers a POSITIVE reason to WANT to stay in this country instead of taking their jobs overseas to workers who are more appreciative of the opportunity. American unions today are absolutely horrendous when it comes to dealing with that issue; there isn't a corporation out there that truly believes that "union labor" is the most effective and cost efficient labor option...and with good reason!</p><p> </p><p>For the most part, the corporations of this country already ARE competitive (heck, even GM does well overseas!); it's just our domestic "organized" labor that makes them vulnerable (again, look at the steel, automotive, textile, and even aircraft industries). What's more, the nation's UN-organized labor appears to be competitive as well (and, again, that does NOT mean less well paid) </p><p> </p><p>Simply put, corporations are neither inclined, nor can they afford to carry those who don't think they need to competitively earn their way anymore. And, outside of BEING competitive, there isn't a long-term POSITIVE solution in existence that will keep them from reacting to the problem of employing an inefficient workforce by seeking a more efficient one elsewhere.</p><p> </p><p>There is a negative one, however. Like in Argentina of this century, or G.B. of the last, capital can just throw up it's hands and give up; i.e. "capital flight"...and God forgive the entities that drive them to that extreme. (on a personal note, I can see this process going on already. It's the rare investor today - myself included - who isn't hedging his bets by placing at least some of his capital overseas...and thus beyond the reach of the destructive forces of "organized" American labor)</p><p> </p><p>I don't want the U.S. to go down that route....i.e. - I don't want the U.S. to become a 3rd-rate economic power. But I'm afraid that's what it will become if the country's organized labor doesn't realize (and quite soon) that it needs to be COMPETIVE and not just PARASITIC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 482387, member: 16651"] JimJimmyJames; I'm trying real hard to visualize corporations (which are the major employers of workers in this country) as "unassailable". Is GM "unassailable"? Is Ford? Is Chrysler? Is YRCW? How about the list of the largest 100 trucking companies - the vast majority of which were "unionized" of a couple of decades back? Or REA? Or the textile firms that once dotted the NE and then the South? Or ("organized") steel companies like U.S. Steel and Bethlehem? That's just a beginning, of course....as I'm sure you well know, I could go on and on list "unassailable" corporations that supposedly "exploited" workers....while providing the means of MAKING A LIVING for literally MILLIONS of them until the unions (which, according to your view, prevented them from being exploited) actually DID "exploit" the workers in the most reprehensible way; i.e. - took a way their means of making a living. In short, in case you hadn't noticed, corporations in this country are very, VERY "assailable", and their very existence is quite delicate. And if they don't exist, then the jobs they provide won't exist, either. Fact is, the job-givers of this nation don't have the power now (let alone "unassailable" power) they need to continue serving the function that they have throughout the major part of this country's history; i.e. - to be the economic driving force that provides JOBS for the country's citizenry. Instead, they've been entangled by short-sighted "unionists" who think that - outside of all logic - there somehow is a "free lunch" available. Sorry, but there's no such thing as a "free lunch"; somebody has to pay. And I'm afraid that if the "organized" labor in this country isn't inclined to "pay" for it's own (i.e. - EARN it's way via being competitive), then in the long term it's going to go hungry. And, in response to your comment earlier, THAT is the way to create SUSTAINABLE wealth; i.e. - EARN IT! By that I mean that "organized" needs to give corporate employers a POSITIVE reason to WANT to stay in this country instead of taking their jobs overseas to workers who are more appreciative of the opportunity. American unions today are absolutely horrendous when it comes to dealing with that issue; there isn't a corporation out there that truly believes that "union labor" is the most effective and cost efficient labor option...and with good reason! For the most part, the corporations of this country already ARE competitive (heck, even GM does well overseas!); it's just our domestic "organized" labor that makes them vulnerable (again, look at the steel, automotive, textile, and even aircraft industries). What's more, the nation's UN-organized labor appears to be competitive as well (and, again, that does NOT mean less well paid) Simply put, corporations are neither inclined, nor can they afford to carry those who don't think they need to competitively earn their way anymore. And, outside of BEING competitive, there isn't a long-term POSITIVE solution in existence that will keep them from reacting to the problem of employing an inefficient workforce by seeking a more efficient one elsewhere. There is a negative one, however. Like in Argentina of this century, or G.B. of the last, capital can just throw up it's hands and give up; i.e. "capital flight"...and God forgive the entities that drive them to that extreme. (on a personal note, I can see this process going on already. It's the rare investor today - myself included - who isn't hedging his bets by placing at least some of his capital overseas...and thus beyond the reach of the destructive forces of "organized" American labor) I don't want the U.S. to go down that route....i.e. - I don't want the U.S. to become a 3rd-rate economic power. But I'm afraid that's what it will become if the country's organized labor doesn't realize (and quite soon) that it needs to be COMPETIVE and not just PARASITIC. [/QUOTE]
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