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<blockquote data-quote="Loco170Brownie" data-source="post: 482688" data-attributes="member: 21154"><p>OK I am inclined to dip my toe into this pool also.</p><p></p><p>I keep seeing the point of the US auto industry and its ongoing problems. At what point and to what level do the CEO's and management take some blame? Back when all was booming who twisted arms and agreed to that "Job bank" idea (IF you read the details on this even a hard core Union guy will shake their heads). Didn't both sides sign that contract? Did the union employees design the cars and SUVs that are not selling? Did they pick what cars they would make? The Leaders of the US Auto industry lead them to where they are, Joe assembly line just wne to work and put the wheels on the truck. Where the Union leaders asking for too much in the long run? It sure looks like that now, but it didn't to the CEOs or others at the time. As things have fallen apart the union is doing all it can to work with the Co to keep things running and keep people working, maybe too little too late, we shall see. </p><p></p><p>But blame is to be shared in that case, I donnt think comparing US Auto Co s to Chinas Auto makers makes any sense. Clearly, as said in one of the last posts, you wouldn't find the millions of workers to slave away at the plant for little money and few benifits as you will in China. Thats beyond anyones control here and nothing will ar could be done about that.</p><p></p><p>I do find it strange that no one has mentioned the strong Unions that run Europe. What is the Dollar to Euro exchange rate? </p><p></p><p>Lets bring it back a little closer to home. How do you outsource UPS front line jobs? Drivers, loaders, and sorters?</p><p></p><p>I am guessing PobreCarlos is a sup somewhere (Just by the overall anti Union to the extreme). Can you tell me as a reasonable person you feel more union people are at thier jobs because they think they will get a "free lunch"? I note how no one wants Union guys to say every Sup is a slave driving money hungry beast trying to push as much work from me as they can get to pump up their bonus check at the end of the quarter. Why? Because even if some Sups are that way, all of them aren't and as reasonable people we understand that and work around it.</p><p></p><p>I for one still dont really see how this PT Sup Union thing would work. It was said there is one in CA right now, andyone have more info on that?</p><p></p><p>At the risk of annoying even more folks, I would say I am against it (As I stand right now with no info on the in and outs of it). I find most that go the route of PT sup plan on only being there for a couple years and think it will look good on their resume, hope to wait it out to be full time (Not a good plan right now as I see it), or just haven't been at UPS long enough to understand what they are getting into. None of those reasons are enough for me to think they need a union.</p><p></p><p>Just my take....battle on <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/dissapointed.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dissapointed:" title="Disappointed :dissapointed:" data-shortname=":dissapointed:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Loco170Brownie, post: 482688, member: 21154"] OK I am inclined to dip my toe into this pool also. I keep seeing the point of the US auto industry and its ongoing problems. At what point and to what level do the CEO's and management take some blame? Back when all was booming who twisted arms and agreed to that "Job bank" idea (IF you read the details on this even a hard core Union guy will shake their heads). Didn't both sides sign that contract? Did the union employees design the cars and SUVs that are not selling? Did they pick what cars they would make? The Leaders of the US Auto industry lead them to where they are, Joe assembly line just wne to work and put the wheels on the truck. Where the Union leaders asking for too much in the long run? It sure looks like that now, but it didn't to the CEOs or others at the time. As things have fallen apart the union is doing all it can to work with the Co to keep things running and keep people working, maybe too little too late, we shall see. But blame is to be shared in that case, I donnt think comparing US Auto Co s to Chinas Auto makers makes any sense. Clearly, as said in one of the last posts, you wouldn't find the millions of workers to slave away at the plant for little money and few benifits as you will in China. Thats beyond anyones control here and nothing will ar could be done about that. I do find it strange that no one has mentioned the strong Unions that run Europe. What is the Dollar to Euro exchange rate? Lets bring it back a little closer to home. How do you outsource UPS front line jobs? Drivers, loaders, and sorters? I am guessing PobreCarlos is a sup somewhere (Just by the overall anti Union to the extreme). Can you tell me as a reasonable person you feel more union people are at thier jobs because they think they will get a "free lunch"? I note how no one wants Union guys to say every Sup is a slave driving money hungry beast trying to push as much work from me as they can get to pump up their bonus check at the end of the quarter. Why? Because even if some Sups are that way, all of them aren't and as reasonable people we understand that and work around it. I for one still dont really see how this PT Sup Union thing would work. It was said there is one in CA right now, andyone have more info on that? At the risk of annoying even more folks, I would say I am against it (As I stand right now with no info on the in and outs of it). I find most that go the route of PT sup plan on only being there for a couple years and think it will look good on their resume, hope to wait it out to be full time (Not a good plan right now as I see it), or just haven't been at UPS long enough to understand what they are getting into. None of those reasons are enough for me to think they need a union. Just my take....battle on :dissapointed: [/QUOTE]
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