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<blockquote data-quote="JimJimmyJames" data-source="post: 482882" data-attributes="member: 11425"><p>I just want to state that I am not angry at all with PobreCarlos, I am just passionate about my position <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy2:" title="Happy2 :happy2:" data-shortname=":happy2:" />. But as you stated Steve, we are coming at this from complete opposite ends and I feel the chances of us really being able to see eye to eye are probably nil. Nevertheless, it was fun debating for a bit. I think your right in that the truth might be somewhere between the extremes of our positions but I feel I need to be on the extreme pro-union side given the condition US labor finds itself in and the overwhelming power corporate America has on us. Pendulums swing both ways and right now it is definitely not in the direction of the common man.</p><p> </p><p>I want to state that I am not against trade. I believe trade with countries that provide the same labor rights as we do, combined with respect for the environment and concern for their workers safety should be allowed to trade with America with a minimum, if any, trade barriers. Most first world countries meet this criteria. Unfortunately, many of them say they want free trade, but than go ahead and create various financial schemes that favor their domestic industries to the detriment of ours. But neverthesless we go ahead and swing our doors wide open to their wares. Doesn't make a bit of sense but when it comes to our present government, what does?</p><p> </p><p>The American worker is historically, right down to the present day, one of the most productive and industrious workers in the world. And when we decided that these workers should enjoy the fruits of their labor to an extent the world had never seen before, we created the most prosperous nation on earth. We must fight to retain this against those who would sell us out so they can make a few extra bucks.</p><p> </p><p>As for part time supervisors unionizing, there are companies that do have unionized supervison. The position of foreman comes to mind in the construction business. Let us remember too, UPS part time sups probably do as much physical labor as those that they supervise. From my knowledge they are not supposed to, but the reality is they do.</p><p> </p><p>So, in conclusion to all of this, to quote Forrest Gump, "And that's all I have to say about that". <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JimJimmyJames, post: 482882, member: 11425"] I just want to state that I am not angry at all with PobreCarlos, I am just passionate about my position :happy2:. But as you stated Steve, we are coming at this from complete opposite ends and I feel the chances of us really being able to see eye to eye are probably nil. Nevertheless, it was fun debating for a bit. I think your right in that the truth might be somewhere between the extremes of our positions but I feel I need to be on the extreme pro-union side given the condition US labor finds itself in and the overwhelming power corporate America has on us. Pendulums swing both ways and right now it is definitely not in the direction of the common man. I want to state that I am not against trade. I believe trade with countries that provide the same labor rights as we do, combined with respect for the environment and concern for their workers safety should be allowed to trade with America with a minimum, if any, trade barriers. Most first world countries meet this criteria. Unfortunately, many of them say they want free trade, but than go ahead and create various financial schemes that favor their domestic industries to the detriment of ours. But neverthesless we go ahead and swing our doors wide open to their wares. Doesn't make a bit of sense but when it comes to our present government, what does? The American worker is historically, right down to the present day, one of the most productive and industrious workers in the world. And when we decided that these workers should enjoy the fruits of their labor to an extent the world had never seen before, we created the most prosperous nation on earth. We must fight to retain this against those who would sell us out so they can make a few extra bucks. As for part time supervisors unionizing, there are companies that do have unionized supervison. The position of foreman comes to mind in the construction business. Let us remember too, UPS part time sups probably do as much physical labor as those that they supervise. From my knowledge they are not supposed to, but the reality is they do. So, in conclusion to all of this, to quote Forrest Gump, "And that's all I have to say about that". :happy-very: [/QUOTE]
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