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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 261004" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>1timepu,</p><p> </p><p>I appreciate what you are saying but my problem is we have one tax system they abuse in Washington so why give them a supposed revenue neutral new system they can abuse just as easily. It's not the specific means of taxation that is the problem, it's the totally corrupt gov't that hides behind it (income tax) and that the public blames (income tax again) for all the ills.</p><p> </p><p>I can't say at this point who I'll vote for as my distaste for all things democrat or republican is so strong but Ron Paul makes a rather interesting point in that if you cut the size of gov't back to it's level that it was in 2000', the monetary savings would be enough that you could completely eliminate the personal income tax off the books. We could end Social Security taxes right now and if we reprioritize federal spending, not one soul recieving or who is scheduled over the coming years to recieve SS would miss a payment. Much of welfare is the same way. The only thing stopping the ending of direct taxation of income is our refusal to change gov't from being the hog trough of the special interests that run Washington via K Street.</p><p> </p><p>For those of you who fashion themselves as "Conservative" on the premise of small gov't, less taxes and fiscal responsibility and yes those are good things that I too agree with, we're talking about taking Ron Paul's idea and eliminating all the gov't growth during the Bush years and going back to the size and footprint of gov't under the so-called big spending liberal of Bill Clinton. My point is that gov't grew many fold under the republicans watch and much of that growth was outside the scope of gov't needs as a result of the events of 9/11 and the war on terror.</p><p> </p><p>Unless you can control that unchecked excessive growth that both parties have equal hands in, no formula, system or other means of taxation will in the end work. The only way I know of to get their attention is to deny them your support and vote and therefore I choose to give my vote to 3rd parties out of pure principle. I don't choose the lesser of 2 evils, I just refuse to support evil at all.</p><p> </p><p>In 2008', don't vote Republican or Democrat, for once Vote on Principle. You get 15% of the voters out there to vote for anything but republican or democrat and then those 2 are left dividing up 85% or less of the American electorate and the prospect of the winner not getting a clear 50% of the total vote cast and you'll see real quickly the political machine in America turn on it's collective heels. Thomas Jefferson, who with all his faults being still one of my heros once said that Revolution every once in a while is healthy and I tend to agree. We are blessed to live in a day and age and a country where we can have political revolutions and never a shot is fired nor a drop of blood will flow. This IMO is a most precious gift from God and it's time we exercise it. </p><p> </p><p>Just something to think about as the election season heats up even more.</p><p> </p><p>Bless wishes to all!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 261004, member: 2189"] 1timepu, I appreciate what you are saying but my problem is we have one tax system they abuse in Washington so why give them a supposed revenue neutral new system they can abuse just as easily. It's not the specific means of taxation that is the problem, it's the totally corrupt gov't that hides behind it (income tax) and that the public blames (income tax again) for all the ills. I can't say at this point who I'll vote for as my distaste for all things democrat or republican is so strong but Ron Paul makes a rather interesting point in that if you cut the size of gov't back to it's level that it was in 2000', the monetary savings would be enough that you could completely eliminate the personal income tax off the books. We could end Social Security taxes right now and if we reprioritize federal spending, not one soul recieving or who is scheduled over the coming years to recieve SS would miss a payment. Much of welfare is the same way. The only thing stopping the ending of direct taxation of income is our refusal to change gov't from being the hog trough of the special interests that run Washington via K Street. For those of you who fashion themselves as "Conservative" on the premise of small gov't, less taxes and fiscal responsibility and yes those are good things that I too agree with, we're talking about taking Ron Paul's idea and eliminating all the gov't growth during the Bush years and going back to the size and footprint of gov't under the so-called big spending liberal of Bill Clinton. My point is that gov't grew many fold under the republicans watch and much of that growth was outside the scope of gov't needs as a result of the events of 9/11 and the war on terror. Unless you can control that unchecked excessive growth that both parties have equal hands in, no formula, system or other means of taxation will in the end work. The only way I know of to get their attention is to deny them your support and vote and therefore I choose to give my vote to 3rd parties out of pure principle. I don't choose the lesser of 2 evils, I just refuse to support evil at all. In 2008', don't vote Republican or Democrat, for once Vote on Principle. You get 15% of the voters out there to vote for anything but republican or democrat and then those 2 are left dividing up 85% or less of the American electorate and the prospect of the winner not getting a clear 50% of the total vote cast and you'll see real quickly the political machine in America turn on it's collective heels. Thomas Jefferson, who with all his faults being still one of my heros once said that Revolution every once in a while is healthy and I tend to agree. We are blessed to live in a day and age and a country where we can have political revolutions and never a shot is fired nor a drop of blood will flow. This IMO is a most precious gift from God and it's time we exercise it. Just something to think about as the election season heats up even more. Bless wishes to all! [/QUOTE]
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