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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 867149" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p>Don't confuse Greece with Germany or Belgium. Germany works just fine, Greece is a trainwreck.</p><p></p><p>Greece tried to use socialism, political patronage and deficit spending to live the lifestyle of northern Europe, with the culture and economy of a southern European nation. Like all attempts at socialism and deficit spending, the money and credit ran out, and the creditors came a knockin'.</p><p></p><p>The standard of living of a nation is directly related to the development of the economy within that nation. You can have workers in each Greece and Germany performing EXACTLY the same task - but the sustainable compensation level of the German worker will be higher. The economy is more developed, so compensation levels can be made more equitable between the "apex" of the income pyramid and the base of the income pyramid.</p><p></p><p>This is why the US economy (on a macro level) will always be able to compete on a worldwide basis (very developed economic base), but an INDIVIDUAL American worker can't DIRECTLY compete against a Central American wage rate. This is why free trade in goods can be performed (with some restrictions), but unrestricted movement of labor between developed and undeveloped economies cannot be done - without creating havoc for labor within the developed economy. The situation with FedEx Ground is analogous to having labor from an undeveloped economy participating in the economy of a developed economy - labor havoc ensues. </p><p></p><p>The problem with your assumption, is that you have the incorrect frame of reference. Whenever GOVERNMENTS GIVE anything to citizenry (unearned entitlements), they system will eventually collapse. Whenever labor negotiates with their employer equitable compensation levels, by DEFINITION, the exchange is sustainable. Both parties negotiate from a position of equality, and in the end, have a mutually agreeable arrangement. When governments hand out entitlements, there is no economically sustainable condition. Patronage is used to determine the allocation of resources, not economic realities. Governments should NEVER be in a postiion where they are handing out resources to individuals - they exist to serve the COMMON GOOD. </p><p></p><p>Individuals ensure their economic well being by being allowed (through their governments establishing ground rules) to engage in collective bargaining with their employers and arriving at mutually agreeable terms of compensation. </p><p></p><p>The role of governement is to set the ground rules for economic activity to take place under, not to constantly place their "thumb" on one side or the other of the economic scale to achieve a predetermined outcome. An analogy would be to have professional sports played with the rulebook (the ground rules), but then have the game officials add points to one side or another based upon their subjective evaluation (one side needs additional help to win, one side is playing facing into the wind). </p><p></p><p>This is why governments should NEVER engage in the determination of who is going to receive a handout, and who isn't. The government is placed into a role of determining favorites. In the example of Greece, the politicians were forced into an upward spiral of handing out more and more, to get elected and prevent unrest. The system had to eventually come crashing down. Whenever governments get into the game of determining favorites and giving handouts, the system eventually comes to a abrupt end. Governments find themselves unable to take enough from those who do have something, and can't give enough to those who have less - to keep them happy. More in the wagon than pulling the wagon...</p><p></p><p>The solution is collective bargaining. Neither side gets everything it wants, but in the end, each side is able to get enough to make the deal worth doing. If agreement can't be reached, then a deal isn't struck and the sides walk away (lockout or strike). It does resemble a game of Poker more than a game of Chess, but in the end, if each side is going to get what they want, they have to work together. When government gets involved in determining winners and losers, it creates more problems than it solves. </p><p></p><p>Empower the individual, restrict the government, respect property rights, and prosperity should ensue...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 867149, member: 22880"] Don't confuse Greece with Germany or Belgium. Germany works just fine, Greece is a trainwreck. Greece tried to use socialism, political patronage and deficit spending to live the lifestyle of northern Europe, with the culture and economy of a southern European nation. Like all attempts at socialism and deficit spending, the money and credit ran out, and the creditors came a knockin'. The standard of living of a nation is directly related to the development of the economy within that nation. You can have workers in each Greece and Germany performing EXACTLY the same task - but the sustainable compensation level of the German worker will be higher. The economy is more developed, so compensation levels can be made more equitable between the "apex" of the income pyramid and the base of the income pyramid. This is why the US economy (on a macro level) will always be able to compete on a worldwide basis (very developed economic base), but an INDIVIDUAL American worker can't DIRECTLY compete against a Central American wage rate. This is why free trade in goods can be performed (with some restrictions), but unrestricted movement of labor between developed and undeveloped economies cannot be done - without creating havoc for labor within the developed economy. The situation with FedEx Ground is analogous to having labor from an undeveloped economy participating in the economy of a developed economy - labor havoc ensues. The problem with your assumption, is that you have the incorrect frame of reference. Whenever GOVERNMENTS GIVE anything to citizenry (unearned entitlements), they system will eventually collapse. Whenever labor negotiates with their employer equitable compensation levels, by DEFINITION, the exchange is sustainable. Both parties negotiate from a position of equality, and in the end, have a mutually agreeable arrangement. When governments hand out entitlements, there is no economically sustainable condition. Patronage is used to determine the allocation of resources, not economic realities. Governments should NEVER be in a postiion where they are handing out resources to individuals - they exist to serve the COMMON GOOD. Individuals ensure their economic well being by being allowed (through their governments establishing ground rules) to engage in collective bargaining with their employers and arriving at mutually agreeable terms of compensation. The role of governement is to set the ground rules for economic activity to take place under, not to constantly place their "thumb" on one side or the other of the economic scale to achieve a predetermined outcome. An analogy would be to have professional sports played with the rulebook (the ground rules), but then have the game officials add points to one side or another based upon their subjective evaluation (one side needs additional help to win, one side is playing facing into the wind). This is why governments should NEVER engage in the determination of who is going to receive a handout, and who isn't. The government is placed into a role of determining favorites. In the example of Greece, the politicians were forced into an upward spiral of handing out more and more, to get elected and prevent unrest. The system had to eventually come crashing down. Whenever governments get into the game of determining favorites and giving handouts, the system eventually comes to a abrupt end. Governments find themselves unable to take enough from those who do have something, and can't give enough to those who have less - to keep them happy. More in the wagon than pulling the wagon... The solution is collective bargaining. Neither side gets everything it wants, but in the end, each side is able to get enough to make the deal worth doing. If agreement can't be reached, then a deal isn't struck and the sides walk away (lockout or strike). It does resemble a game of Poker more than a game of Chess, but in the end, if each side is going to get what they want, they have to work together. When government gets involved in determining winners and losers, it creates more problems than it solves. Empower the individual, restrict the government, respect property rights, and prosperity should ensue... [/QUOTE]
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