Fedex Pilots Contract - Wow

dezguy

Well-Known Member
One is easily replaced. One is not.
Judging on the quality of employee Express has been attracting as of late and the desperate attempt at getting current employees to stay on by insinuating they'll be topping out in ten years, I'm not so sure this statement is correct.
 

barnyard

KTM rider
If the pilot's union is so strong that they can get those kinds of wage increases, they ought to be strong enough to flex some muscle and force FE into allowing couriers to organize.

Has anyone thought to ask them??
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
If the pilot's union is so strong that they can get those kinds of wage increases, they ought to be strong enough to flex some muscle and force FE into allowing couriers to organize.

Has anyone thought to ask them??
My guess is that the pilots are a relatively small group and well, they got their's!
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
If the pilot's union is so strong that they can get those kinds of wage increases, they ought to be strong enough to flex some muscle and force FE into allowing couriers to organize.

Has anyone thought to ask them??

In general, the pilots look at us as scum. One of the biggest reasons they have theirs is that we don't have ours. And they seem to be just fine with that.
 

CJinx

Well-Known Member
In general, the pilots look at us as scum. One of the biggest reasons they have theirs is that we don't have ours. And they seem to be just fine with that.
Wow, show us on this doll where the bad pilot touched you. Why are you so resentful of the pilots union? Aren't they the success story that you have wet dreams about?
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Wow, show us on this doll where the bad pilot touched you. Why are you so resentful of the pilots union? Aren't they the success story that you have wet dreams about?

Ah, you have never jumpseated, been a ramp agent, or dealt with our pilots, have you? Well, I have...extensively. First, I admire their tactics and their success. We should be smart enough to do the same. However, the pilots are a small group, who meet every night at one of only several hubs, and have a skill set that isn't easily replaced. The captain also always has the power to cancel a flight, even if a light in the crapper doesn't work (seen it happen). All he/she has to do is say "safety concern", and the aircraft is grounded. This gives them enormous leverage, as evident during recent bad behavior during negotiations.

We hourlies subsidize their excellent salaries and benefits, just as we do the execs. By short-changing us, they can afford to treat themselves very well. Just as we subsidized the expansion of Ground and Fred's purchase of new companies.

Besides being a shillette, you're clueless about both the RLA and FedEx culture. Being openly pro-union will get you on the hit list, even though that's illegal, and the RLA makes it nearly impossible to organize in RTW states. We also don't have a national support network like the Teamsters to help conduct a drive. The IBT knows that the RLA Kryptonite will prevent success.

Our pilots could care less about us. They arrive by limo or Town Car, and have little to no interaction with hourlies, the ants that load their planes and deliver the packages that make the whole system go. Most are elite snobs. After the plane takes off, out come the Robb Report, Penthouse, and whatever else they want to read. They monitor ATC and the radios and check headings etc. Not much to do, but talk about who they are banging and what kind of new Mercedes they're going to buy. Sometimes you get a friendly crew, which is great. Of course, since 9-11, personal jumpseat is gone, so this is academic. The bottom line is that they think little of us and have zero interest in assisting a union effort.

As someone else said, they have theirs, and that's all they really care about. So STFU about things you know nothing about.
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
I'll give the pilots credit. They had Smith figured out early in the game when most of us still thought of Express as a "people company." But MFE is right, they got theirs and are perfectly fine with having a seven course meal while we beg for crumbs.
 

dezguy

Well-Known Member
I would like to know what you guys expect the pilots to do? Do you want to them to go out on a sympathy strike for us when we won't even help ourselves? Do you want them to negotiate that couriers be allowed to organize in their next contract, or they'll shut the whole company down?

They stood up and organized themselves. They got theirs because they fought for it.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I would like to know what you guys expect the pilots to do? Do you want to them to go out on a sympathy strike for us when we won't even help ourselves? Do you want them to negotiate that couriers be allowed to organize in their next contract, or they'll shut the whole company down?

They stood up and organized themselves. They got theirs because they fought for it.
Did you not read MFE's post? Due to the RLA there won't be any organizing. The only reason we're getting(supposedly) a new plan to top out faster is they couldn't keep enough newhires to stay for what they were offering. They managed it as long as they had plenty of topped out people but now the old timers are starting to retire in bigger numbers. It's not a matter of standing up for ourselves while staying, it's those who are quitting who are bringing change(that they won't benefit from).
 

dezguy

Well-Known Member
Did you not read MFE's post? Due to the RLA there won't be any organizing. The only reason we're getting(supposedly) a new plan to top out faster is they couldn't keep enough newhires to stay for what they were offering. They managed it as long as they had plenty of topped out people but now the old timers are starting to retire in bigger numbers. It's not a matter of standing up for ourselves while staying, it's those who are quitting who are bringing change(that they won't benefit from).
We're not under the thumb of the RLA up here and we aren't unionize. Why? Because old timers are content with what they have and others aren't willing to stand up for themselves and just take what they are given. That is NOT the pilots faults it is our OWN fault.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
We're not under the thumb of the RLA up here and we aren't unionize. Why? Because old timers are content with what they have and others aren't willing to stand up for themselves and just take what they are given. That is NOT the pilots faults it is our OWN fault.

Yes, but the FedEx corporate culture will victimize you just as quickly in Canada as in the US. Start taking union, and the BBQ Squad will be paying you a visit. Plus, you will personally be let go for some reason they invent.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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We're not under the thumb of the RLA up here and we aren't unionize. Why? Because old timers are content with what they have and others aren't willing to stand up for themselves and just take what they are given. That is NOT the pilots faults it is our OWN fault.

Could it also be that they saw what happened to the Walmart workers who tried to unionize?

For those who may not have heard this, Walmart responded to their requests by closing the store.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
Could it also be that they saw what happened to the Walmart workers who tried to unionize?

For those who may not have heard this, Walmart responded to their requests by closing the store.
Organizing will almost always bring out the worst in companies. As far as union busting, FedEx has perfected it. A campaign at Express would require a very large number dedicated employees to take the fight to FedEx. Most of us just don't see the point without the backing of the Teamsters.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
Organizing will almost always bring out the worst in companies. As far as union busting, FedEx has perfected it. A campaign at Express would require a very large number dedicated employees to take the fight to FedEx. Most of us just don't see the point without the backing of the Teamsters.

We are talking about Canada here.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
We are talking about Canada here.
So what difference does that make in regards to FedEx union busting tactics. FedEx Freight doesn't have the RLA either and organizing that opco hasn't been much easier. What I posted applies to any group attempting to organize at FedEx.
 

dezguy

Well-Known Member
Could it also be that they saw what happened to the Walmart workers who tried to unionize?

For those who may not have heard this, Walmart responded to their requests by closing the store.
So, FedEx is going to close a station? Then what? Service that area from a station sometimes up to 5 hours away. I think not.
 
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