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Obama hasn't raised taxes. The Bush tax cuts are set to expire and they will not be renewed, which will penalize the wealthy, not the middle class. 2 years isn't very long to try and un-do what Bush did. One example of what he did to improve the country is to save the auto industry, which would have failed completely (save for Ford) and probably triggered a depression. The Republican "solution" would have been to let them fail (but not the banks) and let the magic of the Free Market work. That is a recipe for disaster.
Do some research.Once the tax cuts expire,everyones taxes go up,not just the rich and if a company lets a union and or the company run themselves into the ground,they deserve to fail.I say let them fail.If a union came into Fedex and all of a sudden Fedex went bankrupt,should Fedex get bailed out?
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Do some research.Once the tax cuts expire,everyones taxes go up,not just the rich and if a company lets a union and or the company run themselves into the ground,they deserve to fail.I say let them fail.If a union came into Fedex and all of a sudden Fedex went bankrupt,should Fedex get bailed out?

Everyone's taxes do not go up. You say you voted Democratic, and Democrats are almost always pro-labor. What you've just written here indicates you are not a Democrat, so why did you vote for Obama? If GM and Chrysler had been allowed to go under, the multiplier effect would have been devastating, so I agree that they should have been assisted. I don't agree with the AIG bailout or helping the banks.

FedEx isn't going to fail if we go union, so they're not going to need a bailout, but Fred has already been enjoying one for years...it's called the RLA Exemption. When the passenger airlines were about to go under and got pension relief, Fred jumped on the bandwagon and got his own form of pension adjustment....it's called the PPA.

The whole premise of the Free Market is bogus because the market is anything but "free". FedEx and all of it's special deals is a perfect example of a corrupted market, so based on what you've written, you should support leveling the playing field so UPS and FedEx can compete on equal terms, right?
 
Everyone's taxes do not go up. You say you voted Democratic, and Democrats are almost always pro-labor. What you've just written here indicates you are not a Democrat, so why did you vote for Obama? If GM and Chrysler had been allowed to go under, the multiplier effect would have been devastating, so I agree that they should have been assisted. I don't agree with the AIG bailout or helping the banks.

FedEx isn't going to fail if we go union, so they're not going to need a bailout, but Fred has already been enjoying one for years...it's called the RLA Exemption. When the passenger airlines were about to go under and got pension relief, Fred jumped on the bandwagon and got his own form of pension adjustment....it's called the PPA.

The whole premise of the Free Market is bogus because the market is anything but "free". FedEx and all of it's special deals is a perfect example of a corrupted market, so based on what you've written, you should support leveling the playing field so UPS and FedEx can compete on equal terms, right?
Its a simple question and you refuse to answer it.

What has Obama done so far that is good?

If Fedex went bankrupt should they be allowed to just fail?

Why do you keep avoiding my questions?
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
If Fedex went bankrupt should they be allowed to just fail?

Yes. If anyone is to blame then we can all point the finger at Fred and his Memphis good ol' boys.

They way they're running this ship will be sinking eventually.

They'll go down in the history books in the chapter right after Enron.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Its a simple question and you refuse to answer it.

What has Obama done so far that is good?

If Fedex went bankrupt should they be allowed to just fail?

Why do you keep avoiding my questions?

I already answered you with the GM/Chrysler example. Health care reform will also be good for many people. Did you notice that FedEx recently notified employees that there is no longer a maximum cap on medical costs? The stimulus program has both created and maintained jobs. That's 3 examples of things Obama has done that are good.

If FedEx went bankrupt, let them fail. I only say that because Fred is a big believer in the "Free Market". If he's such a supporter, maybe his company should be allowed to go under. Unlike the car companies, FedEx doesn't have the same type of multiplier effect in our economy.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Um, taxes are going to go up. Services are going to decrease. It's all part of the financial responsibility the country is in need of. Why is that so hard for people to grasp?
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Um, taxes are going to go up. Services are going to decrease. It's all part of the financial responsibility the country is in need of. Why is that so hard for people to grasp?


Alot of us didn't finance houses we couldn't afford. And we had no say in the TARP and stimulus spending. Yet we're expected to bear the burden for others' mistakes and runaway spending. I think many of us grasp that just fine.
 

bbsam

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Staff member
This isn't about TARP and bailouts. It's about a country that went into two wars and refused to raise taxes to pay for them. It's about thirty years of a republican dominance of cutting taxes and believint that was the sole key to economic stability even in the face of increasing government expenditures. Deficit reduction is going to be ugly on all sides, but it is going to be necessary.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
This isn't about TARP and bailouts. It's about a country that went into two wars and refused to raise taxes to pay for them. It's about thirty years of a republican dominance of cutting taxes and believint that was the sole key to economic stability even in the face of increasing government expenditures. Deficit reduction is going to be ugly on all sides, but it is going to be necessary.

Oh baloney. In terms of % of our GDP our debt was manageable until the arrival of our current White House resident and his pals in Congress. And Ronald Reagan's taxes and spending not only provided a great economy but it broke the Soviet Union. Worthwhile by any measure. And right now I'd take Bill Clinton chasing babes any day over having a far left extremist surrounded by far left extremists.
 
I already answered you with the GM/Chrysler example. Health care reform will also be good for many people. Did you notice that FedEx recently notified employees that there is no longer a maximum cap on medical costs? The stimulus program has both created and maintained jobs. That's 3 examples of things Obama has done that are good.

If FedEx went bankrupt, let them fail. I only say that because Fred is a big believer in the "Free Market". If he's such a supporter, maybe his company should be allowed to go under. Unlike the car companies, FedEx doesn't have the same type of multiplier effect in our economy.
Thank you for answering me.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Whats so wrong in believing that cutting taxes will create jobs?Its not rocket science.You clowns are too dumb to understand that..

Reaganomics didn't work, and it won't work now either. I'm "dumb" enough to cut you to pieces intellectually while I'm asleep.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Oh baloney. In terms of % of our GDP our debt was manageable until the arrival of our current White House resident and his pals in Congress. And Ronald Reagan's taxes and spending not only provided a great economy but it broke the Soviet Union. Worthwhile by any measure. And right now I'd take Bill Clinton chasing babes any day over having a far left extremist surrounded by far left extremists.
The breaking of the Soviet Union took decades. I economics were as simple as cut taxes, you could be chairman of the Federal Reserve. Tax cuts during wars? No wonder we're screwed.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
The breaking of the Soviet Union took decades. I economics were as simple as cut taxes, you could be chairman of the Federal Reserve. Tax cuts during wars? No wonder we're screwed.

Gee, who started our 2 current wars? Oh, and neither were on the books until Obama took office. I guess that's his fault too. Actually, Bill Clinton was a very conservative Democrat, and we had a budget surplus, not a deficit.

As far as spending goes, how else do you jump-start a dead economy but to artificially create jobs until people start spending money again on houses, cars. etc? Look what FDR did during the Depression in terms of public works programs in order to get some money into the mass market. If Obama tried to create a CCC or a TVA today and start some public works projects the Tea-Baggers would call him a Socialist (again) for being creative enough to get people back to work, particularly in the construction industry, which is in big trouble.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Reaganomics didn't work, and it won't work now either. I'm "dumb" enough to cut you to pieces intellectually while I'm asleep.

JFK said that if taxes are cut the resulting economic activity would actually increase gov't revenue. And he was proven right. And for BBSAM, Bush's tax cuts actually provided a very good economy while conducting 2 wars. What brought it down was all that bad paper from giving loans to those who couldn't afford them. IF we had been prudent things would be very different today. Which brings us to the ultimate reality: Far left Dems can't govern. They have fundamental misunderstandings about the way things work. They want some idealized society where all outcomes are equal. Been tried before, everyone but the leadership ends up miserable. And say what you want, Reagan was the catalyst that broke, then broke up, the Soviet Union. And MrFedEx, before you start screaming at me, I'm very well aware that many Republicans are just greedy bastards who talk God, country, and apple pie to get our vote. Heaven help us if they ever get their mitts on our Social Security contributions. Fact is, U.S. CEO pay is so ridiculously out of proportion with the rest of the world it's ludicrous. And where Bush and company were bad was allowing the bulk of income growth go into relatively few hands while the rest of us got squeezed. But replacing our system with socialism won't improve things i.e. Europe, China, Vietnam, Russia. Absolute hubris to believe they are the ones who'll get it right.

Here's a reality check. We long for the good old days, want the strong, economic giant of the 50's. Have you given any thought why we were the country then that we aren't now? Coming out of WWII Europe and Japan were devastated. Russia was communist, China was about to be. India was a colonial backwater. No country had the industrial might that we did. But eventually things got rebuilt and countries became more and more competitive. And our corporate leaders put profits above loyalty to U.S. workers. So now we live in a service based economy, and our leadership has let an illegal immigration take place that further puts downward pressure on our pay and benefits. Ask construction workers in California with mortgages and kids what it's like to compete with illegals who'll work for half as much. Slam the Tea Party all you want, but they are rightly concerned about a gov't that's mandating paying for expensive health insurance when many have a hard enough time just finding work that'll keep them housed and fed. They are rightly concerned about raising taxes when the economy is so bad. People can't just keep paying and paying and paying. They are rightly concerned about how beholden the gov't is to environmental extremists. $7 a gallon gas with cap-and-trade? That'll kill our economy, will kill FedEx. Give Bill Clinton credit, when the Republicans took over Congress in '94 he gave up on pushing a liberal agenda and governed from the center. I don't think Obama has it in him to do that. He'll be a 1 termer, and it'll be a long time before the majority of voters will trust a Democrat with the presidency again.
 
Reaganomics didn't work, and it won't work now either. I'm "dumb" enough to cut you to pieces intellectually while I'm asleep.
You're just an internet tough guy who hides behind a keyboard and feels big talking over the internet.I serioulsy doubt you would say any of these things in person to anyone you coward.You sound like you've been bullied your whole life and probably get bullied at Fedex to.


and lol at Reaganomics not working.This proves that you are a maroon.
 
JFK said that if taxes are cut the resulting economic activity would actually increase gov't revenue. And he was proven right. And for BBSAM, Bush's tax cuts actually provided a very good economy while conducting 2 wars. What brought it down was all that bad paper from giving loans to those who couldn't afford them. IF we had been prudent things would be very different today. Which brings us to the ultimate reality: Far left Dems can't govern. They have fundamental misunderstandings about the way things work. They want some idealized society where all outcomes are equal. Been tried before, everyone but the leadership ends up miserable. And say what you want, Reagan was the catalyst that broke, then broke up, the Soviet Union. And MrFedEx, before you start screaming at me, I'm very well aware that many Republicans are just greedy bastards who talk God, country, and apple pie to get our vote. Heaven help us if they ever get their mitts on our Social Security contributions. Fact is, U.S. CEO pay is so ridiculously out of proportion with the rest of the world it's ludicrous. And where Bush and company were bad was allowing the bulk of income growth go into relatively few hands while the rest of us got squeezed. But replacing our system with socialism won't improve things i.e. Europe, China, Vietnam, Russia. Absolute hubris to believe they are the ones who'll get it right.

Here's a reality check. We long for the good old days, want the strong, economic giant of the 50's. Have you given any thought why we were the country then that we aren't now? Coming out of WWII Europe and Japan were devastated. Russia was communist, China was about to be. India was a colonial backwater. No country had the industrial might that we did. But eventually things got rebuilt and countries became more and more competitive. And our corporate leaders put profits above loyalty to U.S. workers. So now we live in a service based economy, and our leadership has let an illegal immigration take place that further puts downward pressure on our pay and benefits. Ask construction workers in California with mortgages and kids what it's like to compete with illegals who'll work for half as much. Slam the Tea Party all you want, but they are rightly concerned about a gov't that's mandating paying for expensive health insurance when many have a hard enough time just finding work that'll keep them housed and fed. They are rightly concerned about raising taxes when the economy is so bad. People can't just keep paying and paying and paying. They are rightly concerned about how beholden the gov't is to environmental extremists. $7 a gallon gas with cap-and-trade? That'll kill our economy, will kill FedEx. Give Bill Clinton credit, when the Republicans took over Congress in '94 he gave up on pushing a liberal agenda and governed from the center. I don't think Obama has it in him to do that. He'll be a 1 termer, and it'll be a long time before the majority of voters will trust a Democrat with the presidency again.
well said
 

klein

Für Meno :)
Bush's tax cuts actually provided a very good economy while conducting 2 wars.

Only thing you forgot to mention, was the ever growing national debt, even prior to the housing crunch.
Now you just have 20 years left for SS to run out of funds. Can't blame 2 years of Obama on that one.
If it were me, instantly cut SS to anyone earning more then $80K per year in current pensions, or other earnings, such as property rentals, etc, before it's all gone.

But replacing our system with socialism won't improve things i.e. Europe, China, Vietnam, Russia. Absolute hubris to believe they are the ones who'll get it right.
Whats so wrong with Europe, considering Germany was the worlds largest exporter until last year, when China took over that position ?
I think England is getting it right now, too. Finally attacking the nations debt with higher taxes and cutting programs and government spending + wages.

You can't just go futher and further into debt, where it gets close that from every dollar 30 cents goes towards interest alone (not even debt repayment) !

The sad thing is, I don't think there is any US politician that will commit political suicide to implement radical belt tightning across the board.

You should go visit Europe or even Canada 1 day. You'll see the taxes they pay on almost everything, which makes everything more expensive then in the US.
I guess it's the price to pay for a balanced budget, and not to leave a mega debt load for grandchildren and beyond to pay off.

And if you're wondering , even with higher taxes, Canada and most of Europe has less unemployment then the US.
 
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