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<blockquote data-quote="JimJimmyJames" data-source="post: 493587" data-attributes="member: 11425"><p>In my mind a true patriot loves his country, not necessarily it's politics. I was a dyed in the wool Republican at one time. That is until I found the party acting in a way that was contrary to their stated conservative principles. Now I am an independent who has come to the understanding that neither party serves the peoples interests as much as their own. What is that interest? Whatever the elites in this country decide it to be. And the elites control both parties. </p><p> </p><p>I am dismayed when anyone declares a "right or wrong" philosophy. How can any of your decisions be considered reasoned if you allow others to make it for you? And, more importantly, how are we to take seriously your thoughts if you are nothing but a parrot or puppet of others?</p><p> </p><p>As for General Butler, he is a personal hero of mine. As Jones has pointed out he did not sell out after retiring but fought for what he thought was right his whole life. And if at times he was forced to do what his nation asked of him, even if he may have believed what his nation was doing was wrong, does not make him a hypocrite. It means he takes his commitments seriously. Those young men that were being marched off to war were going to war whether Butler was with them or not. Having a trained and highly skilled soldier to lead and protect them was more important than his personal misgivings with the government. </p><p> </p><p>wkmac, you cannot use Eisenhower to show today's "conservatives" how they might just be wrong in supporting the "war party". After all, Ike was the last president to actually stand up to Israel. And we know how wrong questioning Israel is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JimJimmyJames, post: 493587, member: 11425"] In my mind a true patriot loves his country, not necessarily it's politics. I was a dyed in the wool Republican at one time. That is until I found the party acting in a way that was contrary to their stated conservative principles. Now I am an independent who has come to the understanding that neither party serves the peoples interests as much as their own. What is that interest? Whatever the elites in this country decide it to be. And the elites control both parties. I am dismayed when anyone declares a "right or wrong" philosophy. How can any of your decisions be considered reasoned if you allow others to make it for you? And, more importantly, how are we to take seriously your thoughts if you are nothing but a parrot or puppet of others? As for General Butler, he is a personal hero of mine. As Jones has pointed out he did not sell out after retiring but fought for what he thought was right his whole life. And if at times he was forced to do what his nation asked of him, even if he may have believed what his nation was doing was wrong, does not make him a hypocrite. It means he takes his commitments seriously. Those young men that were being marched off to war were going to war whether Butler was with them or not. Having a trained and highly skilled soldier to lead and protect them was more important than his personal misgivings with the government. wkmac, you cannot use Eisenhower to show today's "conservatives" how they might just be wrong in supporting the "war party". After all, Ike was the last president to actually stand up to Israel. And we know how wrong questioning Israel is. [/QUOTE]
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