Babagounj

Strength through joy
"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected]." emphasis added

SOURCE: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/

As a taxpaying citizen I find this to be an insult.
A national " snitch " line.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
That's snitching !! This admin. thinks it's coming up with new and innovative ideas and all it's doing is getting stranger & stranger.

Did I hear that congress wants private jets now ?? A whole other thread. :dead:
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
I am actually getting paranoid about any ".gov" site address. The gov. might come through and attach itself to my computer and spy on me.:anxious:
 
P

pickup

Guest
A liberal nazi. what a concept. Baba I like you idea. I think I may report myself.

Too late, tie, I already called you , baba, and wkmac in on the tip hotline. If my leads pan out, I'm looking at three grand in my pocket. Beats the ups sales lead program.:knockedout:


I might drop the dime on moreluck as well, she has been posting ungerman thoughts lately
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Too late, tie, I already called you , baba, and wkmac in on the tip hotline. If my leads pan out, I'm looking at three grand in my pocket. Beats the ups sales lead program.:knockedout:


I might drop the dime on moreluck as well, she has been posting ungerman thoughts lately

Gee, that's the hard way. I just sent them a link to the BC Current Events forum and got a check so big I was able to secure property and travel arrangements outside the US before the balloon goes up.

I'll send you a post card if I can figure out which one of those YouTube enslavement camps they'll have all you suckers housed in!

:wink2:
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Too late, tie, I already called you , baba, and wkmac in on the tip hotline. If my leads pan out, I'm looking at three grand in my pocket. Beats the ups sales lead program.:knockedout:


I might drop the dime on moreluck as well, she has been posting ungerman thoughts lately
Sorry I already informed on myself before I started this thread.
I'm hoping for a camp in the desert, the climate will do wonders for my skin.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Sorry I already informed on myself before I started this thread.
I'm hoping for a camp in the desert, the climate will do wonders for my skin.

It's important for a girl to keep up her looks in the face of tyranny!

:happy-very:

I got a kick out of your post as you can tell!
:wink2:
 

diesel96

Well-Known Member
This is one of those moments where you go, Huh!

From Republican members of Congress speaking on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives to ConservativeTalk Radio

REP. VIRGINIA FOXX (R-NC): Republicans have a better solution that won‘t put the government in charge of people‘s health care, that will make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans, and that insures affordable access for all Americans, and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.

REP. PAUL BROUN (R-G): A lot of people are going to die. This program of government option that‘s being touted as being this panacea, the savior of allowing people to have quality health care at an affordable price, is going to kill people.

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: People at a certain age with certain diseases will be deemed not worth the investment, and they will just—as Obama said—they‘ll give them some pain pills and let them loop out until they die and they don‘t even know what‘s happened.

It's easy to see why so many people fall into the GOP trap. After all of the years of getting screwed by their own GOP govt, it's hard to believe the new Democrat leadership when they offer you something that would actually benefit you. Some have become so spiteful and distrustful of our govt that they want us to believe they're are out to kill us. Despite the fact that all of the rest of the industrialized nations in the world have socialized medicine and rank as well or higher than the USA in quality, some of us are convinced that it is impossible to do it successfully. But I get it, you are supposed to wait until Rush explains what the bill REAL says and then to attach the lead to your collar. :cool_dog:
 

brett636

Well-Known Member
This is one of those moments where you go, Huh!

From Republican members of Congress speaking on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives to ConservativeTalk Radio

REP. VIRGINIA FOXX (R-NC): Republicans have a better solution that won‘t put the government in charge of people‘s health care, that will make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans, and that insures affordable access for all Americans, and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.

REP. PAUL BROUN (R-G): A lot of people are going to die. This program of government option that‘s being touted as being this panacea, the savior of allowing people to have quality health care at an affordable price, is going to kill people.

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: People at a certain age with certain diseases will be deemed not worth the investment, and they will just—as Obama said—they‘ll give them some pain pills and let them loop out until they die and they don‘t even know what‘s happened.

It's easy to see why so many people fall into the GOP trap. After all of the years of getting screwed by their own GOP govt, it's hard to believe the new Democrat leadership when they offer you something that would actually benefit you. Some have become so spiteful and distrustful of our govt that they want us to believe they're are out to kill us. Despite the fact that all of the rest of the industrialized nations in the world have socialized medicine and rank as well or higher than the USA in quality, some of us are convinced that it is impossible to do it successfully. But I get it, you are supposed to wait until Rush explains what the bill REAL says and then to attach the lead to your collar. :cool_dog:

My grandfather is in his late 80s, and during this 9th decade of this life he has had a hip and knee replaced, had surgery to remove cancer, and received radiation therapy to keep the cancer away and is still with us today. In countries like Canada and England he would have had to wait years for a hip and or knee replacement, and the cancer surgery would have never happened because he would have passed away before he would have made it to the front of the waiting line for the surgery. This is assuming he would have been allowed in the waiting line to begin with. When something is perceived as "free"(when its not) people consume more. When you throw more people into a healthcare system without increasing the number of doctors you will get healthcare rationing. No nation with socialized medicine has been able to get away from it. Unfortunately the ones who receive most of the healthcare cuts that go with healthcare rationing will be those who believed too close to the end of their life to benefit much from the healthcare available. A good example is the state of Oregon which refused to pay for life extending drugs for a cancer patient, but would pay for euthanasia <--click for story.
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
Staff member
And this is what happens when private health insurance companies make a "business decision". CIGNA, btw happens to be the insurance that has been selected for your truly by local 639. I hope if I or my wife gets really sick we don't suffer the same treatment so that the CEO can get his 13 million dollar bonus or whatever it is.
CIGNA's Decision to Withhold Care Results in Death of 17 Year Old Nataline Sarkisian
By veritas
A Northridge, California teenager awaiting a liver transplant died on December 20, 2007 after she was pulled off of life support. Nataline Sarkisian died at about 6 p.m. at University of California, Los Angeles, Medical Center. She had been in a vegetative state for weeks and was being kept alive by life support machines, according to her mother, Hilda. "She passed away, and the CIGNA insurance company is responsible for this," she said. "They took my daughter away from me," said Nataline's father, Krikor, who appeared at a news conference the day after her death along with his 21-year-old son, Bedros. Mark Geragos, a California attorney best known for defending Scott Peterson, said he plans to ask the district attorney to press murder or manslaughter charges against CIGNA HealthCare in the case. The insurer "maliciously killed her" because it did not want to bear the expense of her transplant and aftercare, Geragos announced at a press conference on Friday, December 21st.Nataline had been battling leukemia and received a bone marrow transplant from her brother. She developed a complication, however, that caused her liver to fail. Doctors at UCLA determined she needed a transplant and sent a letter to CIGNA Healthcare on December 11, 2007. The Philadelphia-based health insurance company denied payment for the transplant. On December 20th (the day Nataline died), about 150 teenagers and nurses protested outside CIGNA's office in Glendale. As the protesters rallied, the company reversed its decision and said it would approve the transplant after all. Despite the reversal, CIGNA said in an e-mail statement before she died that there was a lack of medical evidence showing the procedure would work in Nataline's case. "Our hearts go out to Nataline and her family, as they endure this terrible ordeal," the company said. " ... CIGNA HealthCare has decided to make an exception in this rare and unusual case and we will provide coverage should she proceed with the requested liver transplant." CIGNA's collective hearts go out to the deceased 17 year old girl and her grieving family? Every time I hear that phrase nowadays, it makes me want to pull the heart out of the chest of whomever is saying it. That expression, along with people claiming they need closure and constantly apologizing to you, is so meaningless and self serving. Let's be completely honest, CIGNA didn't reject authorization for this potentially life saving operation with the best interests of the patient in mind. They did it to save a boatload of company money. What criteria, after all, do you think generates end of year bonuses? Does anyone believe for one second that if the child in question was the 17 year old daughter of CIGNA'S CEO or other highly placed board members, this liver transplant would have been rejected? Health insurance companies are no different then computer or roof repair companies; they're in business to make money. I don't get the feeling that the doctors and administrators who call the shots at insurance companies look as hard for ways to save lives as they do to save money. I don't, however, think CIGNA should take all the blame in this instance. Doctors at UCLA compassionately insisted this dying young girl needed a liver transplant to survive. Where was that same compassion and insistence, I wonder, when CIGNA initially rejected the claim? I'm not so naive that I don't fully understand that insurance companies and hospitals, much like computer repairers and roofers, are in business primarily, if not solely, to make money. The one minor difference, however, is that people don't generally die if their computer is infected with a worm or if their roof leaks. That same statement can't be uttered when a 17 year old leukemia patient's very life depends on receiving a new liver to give her the possibility of reaching her 18th birthday and beyond. Could UCLA not afford to perform the potential life saving operation? Could they not have resubmitted medical data to CIGNA explaining why this procedure could very well work? Could they not have proved their theory by accompanying this girl to CIGNA headquarters and stuck their collective tongues out and say, "see?" Why do so many in this country oppose Universal Health Care while supporting the war in Iraq? Is taking a life so much more appealing than saving one? Most people generally in life get what they deserve. This, however, was clearly not the case for 17 year old Nataline Sarkisian. This young girl had earlier contracted leukemia, which is a cancer of the blood or bone marrow, and as a result suffered irreversible live damage requiring a transplant. This is the Christmas season. I'm sure the majority of CIGNA executives and UCLA Hospital administrators will be exchanging gifts with loved ones while stuffing their fat faces. The Sarkisian family won't be sharing your joy, however. They will be in mourning for the loss of their beloved, Nataline. Obviously nobody knows definitively if this liver transplant would have saved her life. By the same token, nobody knows it wouldn't have either. I hope insurance company and hospital decision makers will think of this dead 17 year old and wonder what could have been had they simple tried. I wonder what the guy whose birth you're celebrating on the 25th would have done? Ahhhh, don't worry about it. Just stuff some more ham in your face and have yourself a very Merry Christmas............
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brett636

Well-Known Member
And this is what happens when private health insurance companies make a "business decision". CIGNA, btw happens to be the insurance that has been selected for your truly by local 639. I hope if I or my wife gets really sick we don't suffer the same treatment so that the CEO can get his 13 million dollar bonus or whatever it is.

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That is unfortunate, but when the government is the only provider of healthcare and this occurs to someone else there will be no appeals process.
 

brett636

Well-Known Member
What appeals process are you speaking of? The girl is dead.

Sueing the insurer, the bad publicity hurting the insurance provider, etc. Some options after the fact will simply not be available under a completely government run healthcare system.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."-C.S. Lewis
 
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