Florida UPS driver exposed himself to a young girl.

[trplnkl]

A strike line!

I'm not sure Sat was talking about a strike line. Shouldn't we keep our personal battles/grudges where they belong and not cling to key words to confuse non-related threads?

 

[trplnkl]

Who knows, but an investigation is needed in all cases.

We have our share of wierdos and victims.

Anit that the truth.
However in this case the guy confessed, then tried to change his story. per the news article.

 

[MRFLASHPORT]

if he is CONVICTED then yes, he should be terminated. Confessions can be thrown out, and until he is adjudicated in a criminal court, he should not be fired just yet. Don't get me wrong, sexual offenses involving minors are the worst next to serial killers, and once convicted, he should do time- moreover someone with these tendencies needs psychiatric help and treatment, otherwise when released an offender such as this is most likely to re-offend. And usually they escalate. First time expose yourself, second time hands on molestation/rape, third time...well go figure. Some of these offenders have deep seeded behaviors that cannot be corrected, and should never be released.

Until then, let him have his day in court, our system is based on the presumption of innocence.

 

[stevetheupsguy]

if he is CONVICTED then yes, he should be terminated. Confessions can be thrown out, and until he is adjudicated in a criminal court, he should not be fired just yet. Don't get me wrong, sexual offenses involving minors are the worst next to serial killers, and once convicted, he should do time- moreover someone with these tendencies needs psychiatric help and treatment, otherwise when released an offender such as this is most likely to re-offend. And usually they escalate. First time expose yourself, second time hands on molestation/rape, third time...well go figure. Some of these offenders have deep seeded behaviors that cannot be corrected, and should never be released.

Until then, let him have his day in court, our system is based on the presumption of innocence.

Very true, though my response was more of a, if I'd a caught the guy doing that.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Flash, would you want someone who has confessed to flashing a 13 yr old girl coming in the front door of your business or delivering to your home? Neither would I. Good riddance.

 

[beentheredonethat]

This kind of action is nothing new to UPS or its drivers. Its unfortunate, but happens all the time.

Just last year, a driver in San Diego was sentenced to 15 years for raping a woman while on duty in her apartment. It took 2 trials, but he was convicted in the second,

Last year, a driver was fired in so.cal for exposing himself to a group of teenage girls at a local high school while on duty, the driver claimed it was only a joke as one of the girls "flashed" him first.

A few years ago, a driver in so. cal had a practice of flirting with a woman at a realty office while he made deliveries, the woman also engaged in "seedy" conversations with the driver and made a comment to the driver that "she" would love to see him naked. the driver made a decision to take some photos of himself and while making a delivery, passed the photos to the woman. She freaked out and called the poice who quickly stopped the UPS truck and arrested the driver. He decided to resign vs. fighting the charge and embarrassing himself to his wife.

There are also PHONY charges made all the time. 3 years ago, a 17 year veteran driver made an indirect delivery to an apartment. The woman who signed for the package came out of her apartment and made contact with our driver as he was knocking on the neighbors door. Our driver took the package to her and had her sign for it.

He went on his way. (it was 10:15am) When he returned to the building at 7pm, he was called into the office where LP, HR and the center mgr was waiting. They asked if anything unusual happened during the day.

He responded, NO. They went thru a series of useless questions rather than just handling the problem headon, until the driver asked; "what is this about?" The company then said: "we're terminating you for sexual battery!"

(Cutting to the chase), the woman called UPS and said that our driver "attacked" her while making the indirect. She claimed among many things, that he grabbed her rear end, stroked her chest, pulled her into him to the point where she could feel his erect johnson on her leg, and told her he wanted to come in and engage in a sexual act with her.

Her statement was full of comments like these. She also claimed to have called the police and filed a police report.

The company NEVER verified anything she said and made the decision to fire our driver based solely on her WORD.

The shop steward, ME, took it upon myself to investigate this case. First stop, the police. Surprise, no call. Second discovery, she made a similar charge against the fedex guy. Third discovery, neighbors say she was nuts.

The key to this case was UPS data. Since it was during NDA deliveries, the sparcs report turned out to be invaluable. The stop before was 1 minute and 20 secs before with a signature and the stop afterwards was 2 minutes 25 seconds later with a signature.

The woman claimed this "attack" took between 15 and 20 mins.

The police went to this womans house after I contacted them about her claim in her statement. When they arrived, her story changed completely and they determined she was making a false charge.

Our driver was reinstated after I submitted my investigation to the division manager, and an apology was given to him. He was out 3 weeks.

Many things happen on the road, some true, some false.

Who knows, but an investigation is needed in all cases.

We have our share of wierdos and victims.

Anyone who does wat is reported this person did to a kid is pretty much as low as you can go, and should be gone and sent to prison, or worse. At the same time, anyone who falsely accuses someone of such a crime should be sentenced in a simllar manner.

That could have easily have cost the driver his job, his marriage, his whole life.

 

[DownsizedUPS'er]

if he is CONVICTED then yes, he should be terminated. Confessions can be thrown out, and until he is adjudicated in a criminal court, he should not be fired just yet. Don't get me wrong, sexual offenses involving minors are the worst next to serial killers, and once convicted, he should do time- moreover someone with these tendencies needs psychiatric help and treatment, otherwise when released an offender such as this is most likely to re-offend. And usually they escalate. First time expose yourself, second time hands on molestation/rape, third time...well go figure. Some of these offenders have deep seeded behaviors that cannot be corrected, and should never be released.

Until then, let him have his day in court, our system is based on the presumption of innocence.

these sexual predators cannot be "cured". they are vial sick people that need to never be among the free.

 

[MRFLASHPORT]

Flash, would you want someone who has confessed to flashing a 13 yr old girl coming in the front door of your business or delivering to your home? Neither would I. Good riddance.

First off, a confession does not mean anything until a subject is charged, tried and convicted by a judge. None of us were there for the interrogation, and believe me a good interrogator can get you to confess to anything. It does not amount to anything judicially until a court enters a verdict of guilty. That is how the system works, I am not sticking up for the guy- but the reality of it is until he is convicted, all an employer should do is place him on unpaid leave.
If he is such a threat than the local S.O. should not grant bail if he is a danger to the community than he should remain there until his trial. That didn not happen and he was released on a $10,000 bond which is not abnormally high for a felony.

If he is fired outright for merely being accused and by some chance his confession gets tossed, the victim refuses to testify (which often happens in many juvenile victim-witness scenarios such as this) and he walks, what do you think he is going to do? Sue UPS and he would have a case. You probably never thought of that, but I've seen it happen many times. Sure he may be a dirtbag, but you have to play all sides of the game. His family may have money, his old bat may have a stash and can hire a good mouthpiece. Volusia county is notorious for friend-ing up investigations, so don't think that just because he cried in front of some dicks means he is going to prison just yet. Trust me seen it too often.

 

[DownsizedUPS'er]

First off, a confession does not mean anything until a subject is charged, tried and convicted by a judge. None of us were there for the interrogation, and believe me a good interrogator can get you to confess to anything. It does not amount to anything judicially until a court enters a verdict of guilty. That is how the system works, I am not sticking up for the guy- but the reality of it is until he is convicted, all an employer should do is place him on unpaid leave.
If he is such a threat than the local S.O. should not grant bail if he is a danger to the community than he should remain there until his trial. That didn not happen and he was released on a $10,000 bond which is not abnormally high for a felony.

If he is fired outright for merely being accused and by some chance his confession gets tossed, the victim refuses to testify (which often happens in many juvenile victim-witness scenarios such as this) and he walks, what do you think he is going to do? Sue UPS and he would have a case. You probably never thought of that, but I've seen it happen many times. Sure he may be a dirtbag, but you have to play all sides of the game. His family may have money, his old bat may have a stash and can hire a good mouthpiece. Volusia county is notorious for friend-ing up investigations, so don't think that just because he cried in front of some dicks means he is going to prison just yet. Trust me seen it too often.

where are you hanging out that you have "seen it too oftern"?

i am not willing to be so linent on this guy. and besides, he lives and works in Florida. A right to work state. UPS doesnt need a reason. he would not have a law suit against UPS, in the event that he is innocent. this childs life is changed forever. her innocence stolen.

 

[stevetheupsguy]

where are you hanging out that you have "seen it too oftern"?

i am not willing to be so linent on this guy. and besides, he lives and works in Florida. A right to work state. UPS doesnt need a reason. he would not have a law suit against UPS, in the event that he is innocent. this childs life is changed forever. her innocence stolen.

All true.......EXCEPT, UPS still can't just go and fire one of us.

 

[trplnkl]

First off, a confession does not mean anything until a subject is charged, tried and convicted by a judge. None of us were there for the interrogation, and believe me a good interrogator can get you to confess to anything. It does not amount to anything judicially until a court enters a verdict of guilty. That is how the system works, I am not sticking up for the guy- but the reality of it is until he is convicted, all an employer should do is place him on unpaid leave.
If he is such a threat than the local S.O. should not grant bail if he is a danger to the community than he should remain there until his trial. That didn not happen and he was released on a $10,000 bond which is not abnormally high for a felony.

If he is fired outright for merely being accused and by some chance his confession gets tossed, the victim refuses to testify (which often happens in many juvenile victim-witness scenarios such as this) and he walks, what do you think he is going to do? Sue UPS and he would have a case. You probably never thought of that, but I've seen it happen many times. Sure he may be a dirtbag, but you have to play all sides of the game. His family may have money, his old bat may have a stash and can hire a good mouthpiece. Volusia county is notorious for friend-ing up investigations, so don't think that just because he cried in front of some dicks means he is going to prison just yet. Trust me seen it too often.

Are you saying that the Sheriff's Office grants bail? Everywhere that I have heard of, it is a Judge that either sets or denies bail.
As far as the rest of your post, I don't think the contract says one must be convicted in order to fire them. Hell, criminal charges don't even have to be filed. The guy confessed, twice actually.

He told detectives he parked his truck in front of the area where the girl was standing. He said he pulled out a plastic bottle and relieved himself and that he would have had to expose himself in order to do that, the report shows.
But when the investigator told Woodward that his story was inconsistent, the suspect confessed,

That my friend is all UPS needs to fire him. I'm sure UPS has already gotten a statement from the victim. I'm sure they have gotten a statement by now from the driver. Either way, he should be fired. Even if his intention was not to expose himself to the girl, he sure made no attempt NOT to. Just as bad IMO.
If this case for some reason does not come to trial or he happens to win, (you never know about some of these juries) UPS would be crazy to let this guy back out on a route to do this again. HE did it, plain and simple.

I can tell you one thing for sure, no police interrogator could get me to confess to something I didn't do.

 

[TooTechie]

I'm not one to necropost but how in the heck did this thread come up under "similar threads" when I was reading threads about scheduled pickups...

 

[Catatonic]

I'm not one to necropost but how in the heck did this thread come up under "similar threads" when I was reading threads about scheduled pickups...

Pickup is a common term for picking up a woman for sexual purposes.

In Europe, UPS calls it a Collection rather than a pickup.

See the UK site for Schedule a Collection (note that the url still says pickup):

 

[brownmonster]

Pickup is a common term for picking up a woman for sexual purposes.

In Europe, UPS calls it a Collection rather than a pickup.

See the UK site for Schedule a Collection (note that the url still says pickup):

In the US collection is when the garbage gets picked up. Thursday morning in my hood.

 

[upschuck]

They can add some pickups on me.

 

[Jackburton]

In the US collection is when the garbage gets picked up. Thursday morning in my hood.

In Jersey this is called dating.

 

[Bagels]

In Jersey this is called dating.

How ironic - in Florida, many consider exposing themselves to young girls as "dating."

 

[FilingBluesFL]

How ironic - in Florida, many consider exposing themselves to young girls as "dating."

Explains why I don't get many dates... I'm doing it wrong