Flow Count~..!?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by High Side, Aug 26, 2008.

  1. High Side

    High Side New Member

    I believe the flow count when I unload means how fast or how many boxes I unload per minute. At my hub, sometimes the SUPS will monitor unloaders with a stop watch and count your progress. Is this a legitimate thing that is supposed to be done by management? I recall when I was trained they said I had to unload like something like 1200-1600 boxes an hour? I thought the contract says a fair day’s work for a fair day’s pay and that SUPS are meant to supervise the worker not the workers working performance. Can management do anything to a worker they feel is working to slow? I bet they feel every union worker is working to slow. Am I being a worried narcissist about this subject because when they do this counting and timing thing it really annoys me and my ego.
  2. cwmaxxout

    cwmaxxout Member

    Steady safe pace is the only thing required, Safety first!!!
  3. Mike Hawk

    Mike Hawk New Member

    Ignore them, they will always push you harder to make themselves look better, work at a safe steady pace and don't kill yourself.
  4. sx2700

    sx2700 Banned

    How many threads about a "fair days work for a fair days pay" are we going to have going at the same time?
  5. omgitsnick

    omgitsnick New Member

    It happens at every onlien forum, its just the way communties work. why dont someone just throw up a faq and delete the forums all together?
  6. sx2700

    sx2700 Banned

    Thanks for the update captain obvious. If you'd been around for more than 3 days you would know that there are always threads going for this particular topic. Later....noob
  7. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    its is legitimate, if i have employee A that can get through said trailer in 45 mins and its takes employee B 58minutes , employee B should be doing something different.
    UPS does have standard of work where in no way should it take more than that amount
    exp it shouldnt take longer than an hour to either upload or download a plane if it takes longer than said amount, theres a issue with the work itself that is being done
  8. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Sorry, I call BS on that. There are many factors that can and do change the amount of work that can be done in a said amount of time, UPS just doesn't want to admit that fact. Before I will accept that premise, ALL variables must be exactly the same. Identical twin workers, same hight, weight and physical strength. An unloader that is 6'2'' tall weighs 210 with no fat apparent can unload faster that one 5'6'' and 185 lbs with baby fat. The load would have to be identical also, one trailer of 1,200 pieces may have three times the irregs as the next trailer of 1,200 pieces.
    And please spare me the "national average" crap, I aint buying it.
  9. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    its not a national average, its an average developed by the local ie dept.

    Im not saying the variable need to be the same in the determination, your examples fit my example perfectly. Im not saying e.mployee by anymeans and in someways he could be better than employee A but to that unload trailer as a sup i would of course send employee A into the breach first, and have employee B run iregs, split a belt something else
  10. DS

    DS Fenderbender

    I totally agree drewed,ideally you should have a complete crew of Michael Phelp's's loading like a bat out of hell for $8.50 an hour.Unfortunately a lot of us are far less average than the national average.
    I always have to laugh when they talk about "your average day" as a driver because I don't think in 18 years I've ever had one:)
  11. Sac Hub Sorter

    Sac Hub Sorter New Member

    I had the sup clock my pph..very high something above 1400 an hour...It`s nice to sort an amazon trailer...it`s all in how you tweak the numbers.. =)

    amazon = small packages / big numbers
  12. Nitelite

    Nitelite Member

    I'm glad that helps your epeen. Get some time in and you will realize it doesn't matter.
  13. brownIEman

    brownIEman Active Member

    Is taking flow count appropriate? Of course it is. And of course it matters.

    This sup is a manager in the business and has responsibilities. When the sort starts, he is responsible to pull reports and find out how much volume his sort will be running that day. He will be responsible for letting his boss know from time to time when the sort will be finished processing that volume and go down. In order to do that, he needs to know how fast the operation is processing volume. How would you all suggest he do that, a ouija board? I would recommend he use flow counts, but what do I know, I am in IE.

    If he does counts and finds the flow rate is not fast enough, which will jeopardize the down time, which in turn will jeopardize the subsequent sorts and ultimately service to our customers, he is responsible to do something about that. Again, what would you suggest he do, jump in and start unloading himself? I didn't think so.

    Fair days work does not mean going as slow as you feel like.
  14. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    Is this really necessary? Especially the noob part. lol Noob... welcome to 1998
  15. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

  16. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Nor does it mean going as fast as you possibly can for 4 hours. The human body was not designed to work at maximum capacity all the time.
  17. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    I must apologize Drewed, I misread what you had typed. When you said "employee B should be doing something different"
    I read that as different in work methods or speed not as another assignment/duty.
    Now when you followed with." UPS does have standard of work where in no way should it take more than that amount
    exp it shouldnt take longer than an hour to either upload or download a plane if it takes longer than said amount, theres a issue with the work itself that is being done"
    I took that to mean (again) with the unload methods and speed more than the type, size and weight of packages. I don't advocate that the employees be allowed to piddle around and mosey through the shift doing as little work as possible, but I sure don't think it's right to stand over them cracking a whip hollering " faster you fool, faster".
    Sorry :peaceful:
  18. sx2700

    sx2700 Banned

    Yes...It really is necessary. If you're going to start leaving smart ass comments 3 days after you register when you don't know what's going on then you are going to get a smart ass comment in return. What's it to you anyway? Are you jealous that you weren't the first one to flame the guy?
  19. High Side

    High Side New Member

    This thread has evolved quite interestingly! I am hard worker and I don't slack, it's just not in my work ethic to slack. However, some trailers take longer than others especially if said trailer is a 53 footer with irregs and smalls up the whazoo. Still, a 5' 6"- 135 lb. dude with a strong work ethic can only do so much. Add to that, the machines SUPS think we should be, can't always work to 100% potential. I put effort into my job even if it’s as a lowly unloader at UPS. Believe it or not I still care about my job. Because of this I do get offended when a SUP tries this flow count malarkey. I guess it comes down to the usual argument that has union guys against management and their insatiable expectations. I guess its either put up or shut up, theres no in between.
  20. theloader

    theloader New Member

    As a loader, I think that when the sups push us too hard our productivity probably goes down. If I work at a break neck pace for two hours I'm going to be a lot slower for the next two. Working at a steady pace will get as much or more done over the night and won't be so brutal on the employees. Rushing us also causes other problems. Last night they were bitching at the pick-off to hit a couple trailers harder. So he ends up stacking boxes on the belt/chute which means more boxes falling off our rollers which in turn means we have to shut the chute occasionally and go thru the slow process of clearing the floor. A reasonable steady pace would allow us to do more in the end. It's a shame they don't realize that...