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<blockquote data-quote="Old Man Jingles" data-source="post: 3844159" data-attributes="member: 18222"><p>I react so strongly to your conspiracy fears because you may convince some people that don't think critically or skeptically to suggest to susceptible people like their parents or sick relatives and friends to not get the flu vaccine. This is dangerous stuff you are spreading.</p><p></p><p>From the 2009 article:</p><p></p><p>By <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/andrew-pollack" target="_blank">ANDREW POLLACK</a> MAY 8, 2009 - 2018-19 flu vaccination is not directed to any Swine Flu.</p><p></p><p><em>In all, the </em>1976<em> vaccination resulted in nearly <span style="color: #ff0000">one extra case of Guillain-Barré for every 100,000</span> people immunized, which would translate into <u>roughly 450 cases</u> for the 45 million people who got the shot.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Others say there are lessons to be learned even without solving the mystery. One is that any medicine or vaccine given to tens of millions of people is likely to have side effects, so surveillance systems need to be in place.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Another is that risks have to be weighed against benefits. Had there been a swine flu epidemic in 1976, the number of lives saved by a vaccine would have dwarfed the small number of cases of Guillain-Barré. But in 1976, the vaccine was given even though the epidemic did not materialize.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>“The math is overwhelmingly in favor of vaccine if there’s an epidemic,” said Dr. Harvey V. Fineberg, the president of the Institute of Medicine and co-author of “The Epidemic That Never Was,” a book about the 1976 episode. “It’s in the absence of disease that this rare effect looms large.”</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><strong><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/guillainbarre.htm" target="_blank">The CDC says</a></strong><em>:</em></p><p><em>If there is an increased risk of GBS following flu vaccination it is small, on the order of one to two additional GBS cases per million doses of flu vaccine administered </em>or <span style="color: #ff0000">1 in 500,000</span>.</p><p></p><p><strong>Mouse Man Take Away</strong> ... in this worst case scenario, the aberrant reaction to the swine flu vaccine was<span style="color: #ff0000"> only 5 times worse</span> than the normal risk associated with the Flu Vaccine.</p><p>To me, that is still in an acceptable risk ratio.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Old Man Jingles, post: 3844159, member: 18222"] I react so strongly to your conspiracy fears because you may convince some people that don't think critically or skeptically to suggest to susceptible people like their parents or sick relatives and friends to not get the flu vaccine. This is dangerous stuff you are spreading. From the 2009 article: By [URL='https://www.nytimes.com/by/andrew-pollack']ANDREW POLLACK[/URL] MAY 8, 2009 - 2018-19 flu vaccination is not directed to any Swine Flu. [I]In all, the [/I]1976[I] vaccination resulted in nearly [COLOR=#ff0000]one extra case of Guillain-Barré for every 100,000[/COLOR] people immunized, which would translate into [U]roughly 450 cases[/U] for the 45 million people who got the shot. Others say there are lessons to be learned even without solving the mystery. One is that any medicine or vaccine given to tens of millions of people is likely to have side effects, so surveillance systems need to be in place. Another is that risks have to be weighed against benefits. Had there been a swine flu epidemic in 1976, the number of lives saved by a vaccine would have dwarfed the small number of cases of Guillain-Barré. But in 1976, the vaccine was given even though the epidemic did not materialize. “The math is overwhelmingly in favor of vaccine if there’s an epidemic,” said Dr. Harvey V. Fineberg, the president of the Institute of Medicine and co-author of “The Epidemic That Never Was,” a book about the 1976 episode. “It’s in the absence of disease that this rare effect looms large.” [/I] [B][URL='https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/guillainbarre.htm']The CDC says[/URL][/B][I]: If there is an increased risk of GBS following flu vaccination it is small, on the order of one to two additional GBS cases per million doses of flu vaccine administered [/I]or [COLOR=#ff0000]1 in 500,000[/COLOR]. [B]Mouse Man Take Away[/B] ... in this worst case scenario, the aberrant reaction to the swine flu vaccine was[COLOR=#ff0000] only 5 times worse[/COLOR] than the normal risk associated with the Flu Vaccine. To me, that is still in an acceptable risk ratio. [/QUOTE]
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