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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 350529" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Was there a policy or suggestion of some unoffical policy that illegals should be shot? If so then yes the same I would think should apply. If the mayors can be shown in direct connection to said, yep, same may hold true. </p><p> </p><p>AV, here's the quickest way to understand this more than any other and I think you are a Teamster also so maybe you can relate to this. Ever heard of the RICO act. It has to do with fighting organized crime and people involved at various levels in such operations. Conspiracies to commit certain crimes play a part of it and it's been a very powerful weapon for US Attorneys. Teamsters learned a bit of this firsthand. If it <strong><u>should</u></strong> show that there are/is some un-official policy, then apply the same standards of looking at this issue as you would outside the gov't as it concerns a private interest. You bust a mob figure for a crime and find a link to a union boss and you bust him too!</p><p> </p><p>You want a reason I'm not so quick to judge these soldiers as some of you seem to be. Look no further that the real beginning of the Iraq war in Public Law 105-338 which is the 1998' Iraq Liberation Act which called for regime change. Democrats try like hell to hide this fact in order to pawn the blame all on Bush. It passed the House 338 yea, 2 nah 36 no vote. The Senate was unnaimous in passage. Clinton signed into law. Both democrats and republicans overwhelmingly passed this document on which ultimately Bush did what he did. I give him much credit for at least having the balls to go with his convictions. But there's one interesting part in that legislation that catches my eye and this is direct from the Congressional record as they read it in.</p><p> </p><p>[quote</p><p>SEC. 2. FINDINGS.</p><p>The Congress makes the following findings:</p><p>(1) On September 22, 1980, Iraq invaded Iran, starting an eight year war in which Iraq employed chemical weapons against Iranian troops and ballistic missiles against Iranian cities.</p><p>]</p></blockquote><p></p><p><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/1998_cr/h981005-iraq.htm" target="_blank">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/1998_cr/h981005-iraq.htm</a></p><p> </p><p>OK, nobody disputes that or the fact that Saddam was a bad guy but here's the question. Did someone give him those weapons or access to such weapons knowing he would do exactly what he did with them? If so, then in the interest of justice should we not go after them as well? We bust a street level drug dealer to get drugs off the street but then do we not go after the major supplier to make sure we don't have the same scenario happen again?</p><p> </p><p>Then why do we sit by quietly and without objection applaud such law and such noble causes as bringing democracy to a savaged peoples when we harbor this in our history and we dare not speak a word of it?</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml</a></p><p> </p><p>And this is only the tip of the iceberg.</p><p> </p><p>If you are gonna condemn a soldier for his actions against civilians then why stand silent on the bigger sin?</p><p> </p><p>Some of you here parade around and wave the flag of God and Country and I just ask you this one question and I ask it of myself as well.</p><p> </p><p>What would Jesus Do?</p><p>In my case I hope he can forgive!</p><p> </p><p>public law 105-338 pdf file from FindLaw</p><p><a href="http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/libact103198.pdf" target="_blank">http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/libact103198.pdf</a></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 350529, member: 2189"] Was there a policy or suggestion of some unoffical policy that illegals should be shot? If so then yes the same I would think should apply. If the mayors can be shown in direct connection to said, yep, same may hold true. AV, here's the quickest way to understand this more than any other and I think you are a Teamster also so maybe you can relate to this. Ever heard of the RICO act. It has to do with fighting organized crime and people involved at various levels in such operations. Conspiracies to commit certain crimes play a part of it and it's been a very powerful weapon for US Attorneys. Teamsters learned a bit of this firsthand. If it [B][U]should[/U][/B] show that there are/is some un-official policy, then apply the same standards of looking at this issue as you would outside the gov't as it concerns a private interest. You bust a mob figure for a crime and find a link to a union boss and you bust him too! You want a reason I'm not so quick to judge these soldiers as some of you seem to be. Look no further that the real beginning of the Iraq war in Public Law 105-338 which is the 1998' Iraq Liberation Act which called for regime change. Democrats try like hell to hide this fact in order to pawn the blame all on Bush. It passed the House 338 yea, 2 nah 36 no vote. The Senate was unnaimous in passage. Clinton signed into law. Both democrats and republicans overwhelmingly passed this document on which ultimately Bush did what he did. I give him much credit for at least having the balls to go with his convictions. But there's one interesting part in that legislation that catches my eye and this is direct from the Congressional record as they read it in. [quote SEC. 2. FINDINGS. The Congress makes the following findings: (1) On September 22, 1980, Iraq invaded Iran, starting an eight year war in which Iraq employed chemical weapons against Iranian troops and ballistic missiles against Iranian cities. ][/quote] [URL]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/1998_cr/h981005-iraq.htm[/URL] OK, nobody disputes that or the fact that Saddam was a bad guy but here's the question. Did someone give him those weapons or access to such weapons knowing he would do exactly what he did with them? If so, then in the interest of justice should we not go after them as well? We bust a street level drug dealer to get drugs off the street but then do we not go after the major supplier to make sure we don't have the same scenario happen again? Then why do we sit by quietly and without objection applaud such law and such noble causes as bringing democracy to a savaged peoples when we harbor this in our history and we dare not speak a word of it? [URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml[/URL] And this is only the tip of the iceberg. If you are gonna condemn a soldier for his actions against civilians then why stand silent on the bigger sin? Some of you here parade around and wave the flag of God and Country and I just ask you this one question and I ask it of myself as well. What would Jesus Do? In my case I hope he can forgive! public law 105-338 pdf file from FindLaw [URL]http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/libact103198.pdf[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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