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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 1121258" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p>This is where I unfortunately see commonality between many of those who are topped out in Express and have 20+ years under the DBPP (to their coworkers who have less than 10 years in) and many in UPS (to their future coworkers). To put the commonality simply:</p><p></p><p><em><u>I've got mine, too damn bad the rest of you won't get yours</u>.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em>In 1886, railroad robber baron Jay Gould was quoted as saying (while hiring strikebreakers), "I could hire half of the working class to kill the other half". Over 125 years later, he is proven to still be correct. </p><p></p><p>Instead of surrendering to the existence of the Ground model, why don't you, your coworkers and your union do something about it and get Congress to more narrowly define the provisions of labor law that would put an end to such shenanigans?</p><p></p><p>You mock the Express Couriers for not having the cojones to take action to better their plight - what's your excuse? You've got union protection in place....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just as Jay Gould's hiring of strike breakers in 1886 was 'good for the economy' back then....</p><p></p><p>It just floors me that one of the beneficiaries of the labor movement, has this warped view on how an economy should be structured, and for whose interest should prevail to ensure "economic harmony". </p><p></p><p>In a welfare state where those whose income falls below a certain level are given supplemental support by the government, there IS NO SOCIETAL BENEFIT to having the Ground model in existence. The federal government (and in many cases, state governments), are SUBSIDIZING the existence of the Ground helpers (food stamps, free/reduced price school lunch for their children, rent assistance, earned income tax credit, and on and on).</p><p></p><p> Those in society that are supposedly benefiting from saving a few cents on shipping are paying that and MORE in terms of additional taxes which goes to subsidize the existence of the "employees" of Ground (misclassified as they are). ALL OF SOCIETY is footing the bill for Fred S's little legal two step which he calls FedEx Ground. </p><p></p><p>If it is so good for the economy, why don't you just agree to sacrifice YOUR pay, to ensure those that enter UPS to perform the same job that you've spent a career doing - are paid equitably? </p><p></p><p>If it is so good for society, why don't you and all of your coworkers agree to let UPS restructure its business model and compensate you in line with what Ground compensates it drivers? After all, if it is so good for society in your mind, you ought to have no problem in taking a healthy portion of that 'goodness' yourself... </p><p></p><p>Nope.... times are a changin' (history is cyclic...), you got yours, too damn bad those who will be coming in won't quite get theirs. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So you AREN'T paying for your kids education (like I said), and you were indeed hired in at $600/week. </p><p></p><p>So you are paid in the ball park of $800/week now, so you claim? It took you 7 years to move from $600/wk to $800/wk - and you still have no health benefits or retirement plan...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 1121258, member: 22880"] This is where I unfortunately see commonality between many of those who are topped out in Express and have 20+ years under the DBPP (to their coworkers who have less than 10 years in) and many in UPS (to their future coworkers). To put the commonality simply: [I][U]I've got mine, too damn bad the rest of you won't get yours[/U]. [/I]In 1886, railroad robber baron Jay Gould was quoted as saying (while hiring strikebreakers), "I could hire half of the working class to kill the other half". Over 125 years later, he is proven to still be correct. Instead of surrendering to the existence of the Ground model, why don't you, your coworkers and your union do something about it and get Congress to more narrowly define the provisions of labor law that would put an end to such shenanigans? You mock the Express Couriers for not having the cojones to take action to better their plight - what's your excuse? You've got union protection in place.... Just as Jay Gould's hiring of strike breakers in 1886 was 'good for the economy' back then.... It just floors me that one of the beneficiaries of the labor movement, has this warped view on how an economy should be structured, and for whose interest should prevail to ensure "economic harmony". In a welfare state where those whose income falls below a certain level are given supplemental support by the government, there IS NO SOCIETAL BENEFIT to having the Ground model in existence. The federal government (and in many cases, state governments), are SUBSIDIZING the existence of the Ground helpers (food stamps, free/reduced price school lunch for their children, rent assistance, earned income tax credit, and on and on). Those in society that are supposedly benefiting from saving a few cents on shipping are paying that and MORE in terms of additional taxes which goes to subsidize the existence of the "employees" of Ground (misclassified as they are). ALL OF SOCIETY is footing the bill for Fred S's little legal two step which he calls FedEx Ground. If it is so good for the economy, why don't you just agree to sacrifice YOUR pay, to ensure those that enter UPS to perform the same job that you've spent a career doing - are paid equitably? If it is so good for society, why don't you and all of your coworkers agree to let UPS restructure its business model and compensate you in line with what Ground compensates it drivers? After all, if it is so good for society in your mind, you ought to have no problem in taking a healthy portion of that 'goodness' yourself... Nope.... times are a changin' (history is cyclic...), you got yours, too damn bad those who will be coming in won't quite get theirs. So you AREN'T paying for your kids education (like I said), and you were indeed hired in at $600/week. So you are paid in the ball park of $800/week now, so you claim? It took you 7 years to move from $600/wk to $800/wk - and you still have no health benefits or retirement plan... [/QUOTE]
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