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<blockquote data-quote="UPS Lifer" data-source="post: 224742" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p><strong>Area 43</strong>, </p><p>I will try to keep my comments brief. We all know that politics and religion can be very taboo subjects and when you mix them together WATCH OUT! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I believe in the same God you do. I am a Christian. However, none of us have the exact same beliefs. Also, for the purpose of discussion, other than the reference of the Bible, I think is it important to include all faiths. </p><p></p><p>I guess that my point of clarification of what I wrote would be this. </p><p></p><p>It is not up to me to judge someone else's actions. When the day of judgement comes, only God will decide what is right and what is wrong. God will judge each of us on our merits (or lack of!).</p><p></p><p>What is written in the Bible will never change, but the intrepretation of the Bible will continue for all time. What is the prominent or mainstream view today may not be in 1000 years. </p><p></p><p>In today's world, most of what we deal with is very complex. This subject is no different. Where I grapple with my past and current beliefs is this: I have close friends that follow the doctrines of our faith more closely than I do (other than sexual orientation) and I just can't get my arms around this one. I will not condemne or look down upon my friends (or others) for their beliefs or sexual orientation. Keeping that statement in mind, I feel that by not allowing gay folks to marry, I am (in essence) saying that I am better than them and I sit closer to God than they do. It is not my decision to make. It is not any state's decision to make either. By not allowing same sex partners to marry, we (as a society) are taking something away from them that is not ours to take away. A harsher way to look at that is we are punishing them for being different and not as "God" like as we are.</p><p></p><p>There are some or many folks that are "God fearing". I don't fear God. I don't believe in the wrath of God. I believe that God loves and cherishes all creatures and each of us should live our life as we "intrepret" God would want us to live it. Because we have free will, we will suffer the consequences of a decision or path that we take that is not "God like". </p><p></p><p>I also believe that my way is not the only way or the better way. Each of us has to do what we think is best and nobody is better than the next. </p><p></p><p>I have very conservative points of view and I also have liberal points of view in some areas (I guess this is one of them!!!) but I consider myself lightly conservative to mainstream. </p><p></p><p><strong>Area 43</strong>... am not so sure we are that far apart in our beliefs...when you look at the whole picture. </p><p></p><p>Also <strong>Moreluck</strong>, I have no problem calling a same sex partnership (or in my mind...marriage) a life partnership or committment etc. I would agree to any term that would move forward or allow same sex partners to have the same benefits that are afforded to heterosexual marriages.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UPS Lifer, post: 224742, member: 9789"] [B]Area 43[/B], I will try to keep my comments brief. We all know that politics and religion can be very taboo subjects and when you mix them together WATCH OUT! ;) I believe in the same God you do. I am a Christian. However, none of us have the exact same beliefs. Also, for the purpose of discussion, other than the reference of the Bible, I think is it important to include all faiths. I guess that my point of clarification of what I wrote would be this. It is not up to me to judge someone else's actions. When the day of judgement comes, only God will decide what is right and what is wrong. God will judge each of us on our merits (or lack of!). What is written in the Bible will never change, but the intrepretation of the Bible will continue for all time. What is the prominent or mainstream view today may not be in 1000 years. In today's world, most of what we deal with is very complex. This subject is no different. Where I grapple with my past and current beliefs is this: I have close friends that follow the doctrines of our faith more closely than I do (other than sexual orientation) and I just can't get my arms around this one. I will not condemne or look down upon my friends (or others) for their beliefs or sexual orientation. Keeping that statement in mind, I feel that by not allowing gay folks to marry, I am (in essence) saying that I am better than them and I sit closer to God than they do. It is not my decision to make. It is not any state's decision to make either. By not allowing same sex partners to marry, we (as a society) are taking something away from them that is not ours to take away. A harsher way to look at that is we are punishing them for being different and not as "God" like as we are. There are some or many folks that are "God fearing". I don't fear God. I don't believe in the wrath of God. I believe that God loves and cherishes all creatures and each of us should live our life as we "intrepret" God would want us to live it. Because we have free will, we will suffer the consequences of a decision or path that we take that is not "God like". I also believe that my way is not the only way or the better way. Each of us has to do what we think is best and nobody is better than the next. I have very conservative points of view and I also have liberal points of view in some areas (I guess this is one of them!!!) but I consider myself lightly conservative to mainstream. [B]Area 43[/B]... am not so sure we are that far apart in our beliefs...when you look at the whole picture. Also [B]Moreluck[/B], I have no problem calling a same sex partnership (or in my mind...marriage) a life partnership or committment etc. I would agree to any term that would move forward or allow same sex partners to have the same benefits that are afforded to heterosexual marriages. [/QUOTE]
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