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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 683386" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I don't disagree at all but if Bush was as you said, "disingenuous, misguiding, and wrong" then what would that mean of Obama if he broke his campaign promise to not do the same thing? Oppps, check the record from April 2009' where President Obama in fact went to Congress for an $88 bil war supplemental that by the time it came back to his desk in June 2009' it was over $100 bil, in no small part to republicans I might add. Not even they are willing to push to cut gov't even it the cut is used to pay for a worthless war!</p><p></p><p>Let's see, what did I say again?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I still stand behind that!</p><p></p><p>All smart arsing aside on my part, I do think you are more honest than many in the elephant crowd so I'll give you that and admire you for it. And you mentioned in another post about Hoover not intervening after the 29' crash to avoid the Great Depression. You need to seriously read the record as in fact Hoover did intervene in a massive way and it was his start that FDR picked up on that he made his own to sow the mythology of what became the New Deal. Ironically it's become a case study because of Bush doing much of what Hoover did and then like FDR to Hoover so is Obama to Bush.</p><p></p><p>If you like, here is a 5 minute YouTube quickie on the subject with the facts pretty good but the guy isn't a geek when it comes to sound quality.</p><p></p><p>[media=youtube]mSEvs6bPqFg[/media]</p><p></p><p>If you are willing for a little more exhaustive consideration, the late economist and Professor of Economics Murray Rothbard gives <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard184.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">due diligence</span></a> to the whole Hoover/FDR "New Deal." Just as George Bush was no fiscal conservative if you will, neither was Hoover and in fact both were interventionists of the worst type and big spenders at that. Remember, democrats traditonally had come from a Jeffersonian ideal and not til the era of FDR did democrats start acting like republicans.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 683386, member: 2189"] I don't disagree at all but if Bush was as you said, "disingenuous, misguiding, and wrong" then what would that mean of Obama if he broke his campaign promise to not do the same thing? Oppps, check the record from April 2009' where President Obama in fact went to Congress for an $88 bil war supplemental that by the time it came back to his desk in June 2009' it was over $100 bil, in no small part to republicans I might add. Not even they are willing to push to cut gov't even it the cut is used to pay for a worthless war! Let's see, what did I say again? And I still stand behind that! All smart arsing aside on my part, I do think you are more honest than many in the elephant crowd so I'll give you that and admire you for it. And you mentioned in another post about Hoover not intervening after the 29' crash to avoid the Great Depression. You need to seriously read the record as in fact Hoover did intervene in a massive way and it was his start that FDR picked up on that he made his own to sow the mythology of what became the New Deal. Ironically it's become a case study because of Bush doing much of what Hoover did and then like FDR to Hoover so is Obama to Bush. If you like, here is a 5 minute YouTube quickie on the subject with the facts pretty good but the guy isn't a geek when it comes to sound quality. [media=youtube]mSEvs6bPqFg[/media] If you are willing for a little more exhaustive consideration, the late economist and Professor of Economics Murray Rothbard gives [URL='http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard184.html'][COLOR=red]due diligence[/COLOR][/URL] to the whole Hoover/FDR "New Deal." Just as George Bush was no fiscal conservative if you will, neither was Hoover and in fact both were interventionists of the worst type and big spenders at that. Remember, democrats traditonally had come from a Jeffersonian ideal and not til the era of FDR did democrats start acting like republicans. :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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