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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1834567" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>There is one study of planet temps I am interested in and literally it is taking the temp of the planet itself from inside. At one time in my life I was a avid sport caver, member of a cave rescue team and did cave mapping and surveys. I was lucky to live right in the heart of what many believe is the best caving area on the planet and what we call TAG (Tenn, Ala, Ga) and is loaded with caves. Our area was once an ancient sea and our limestone for which caves are found are a memorial to its coral.</p><p></p><p>Cavers know that a cave temp will reflect the natural median temp of a given location which in our area is between 56 and 58 degrees year round. What is starting to occur and because of better electronics and battery life, temp sensors are being installed deep inside caves by cavers and grottos (what cavers call their caving clubs) to data track this known temp constant. This is also part of protecting large bat colonies who have been under stress for several reasons for decades. </p><p></p><p>Now it is way to early in the game to draw any conclusion one way or the other and I suspect we have many years, maybe a couple of decades, before enough data is gathered to begin to even see any type of trend. </p><p></p><p>This will tell us nothing of the cause to my understanding but if the underground temp constant moves the needle upwards, seems to me one would have to take that more serious. If the needle stays the same as the long known constant, seems to me this would suggest there is no effect on the thermal mass of the planet itself if the air temp above earth is rising. But that may or may not correlate to issues above the surface. </p><p></p><p>Just understanding the world under our feet and having spent so much time there, I would be comforted if the conclusion is no change to the underground temp constant. </p><p></p><p>Again, it should be stressed to my knowledge there is no data yet to draw any conclusion at all but cavers and scientists are watching the world that exists under our feet to see what can be learned there as well.</p><p></p><p>What is a concern is the disruption of water recharge to cave systems that also feed major aquifers. In some areas there are noted drops in water recharge and concern for what this could mean for both nature and humans. Water also serves as a cooling agent as it flows below surface so a drop in the water table, what impact does that have on the thermal mass temp of earth? I don't know either.</p><p></p><p>BTW: If you think you need gov't to protect natural resources of value, well think again. Consider a crazy idea thrown around by a bunch of mud covered southern cavers in the 1980's to what it has become today. Some of these areas are also in conjunction with deer hunters who jumped on board to preserve wildlife habitat and protect it from development. Not all the Ted Nugent's of the world are bad guys.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.scci.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Southeastern Cave Conservancy </strong></span></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1834567, member: 2189"] There is one study of planet temps I am interested in and literally it is taking the temp of the planet itself from inside. At one time in my life I was a avid sport caver, member of a cave rescue team and did cave mapping and surveys. I was lucky to live right in the heart of what many believe is the best caving area on the planet and what we call TAG (Tenn, Ala, Ga) and is loaded with caves. Our area was once an ancient sea and our limestone for which caves are found are a memorial to its coral. Cavers know that a cave temp will reflect the natural median temp of a given location which in our area is between 56 and 58 degrees year round. What is starting to occur and because of better electronics and battery life, temp sensors are being installed deep inside caves by cavers and grottos (what cavers call their caving clubs) to data track this known temp constant. This is also part of protecting large bat colonies who have been under stress for several reasons for decades. Now it is way to early in the game to draw any conclusion one way or the other and I suspect we have many years, maybe a couple of decades, before enough data is gathered to begin to even see any type of trend. This will tell us nothing of the cause to my understanding but if the underground temp constant moves the needle upwards, seems to me one would have to take that more serious. If the needle stays the same as the long known constant, seems to me this would suggest there is no effect on the thermal mass of the planet itself if the air temp above earth is rising. But that may or may not correlate to issues above the surface. Just understanding the world under our feet and having spent so much time there, I would be comforted if the conclusion is no change to the underground temp constant. Again, it should be stressed to my knowledge there is no data yet to draw any conclusion at all but cavers and scientists are watching the world that exists under our feet to see what can be learned there as well. What is a concern is the disruption of water recharge to cave systems that also feed major aquifers. In some areas there are noted drops in water recharge and concern for what this could mean for both nature and humans. Water also serves as a cooling agent as it flows below surface so a drop in the water table, what impact does that have on the thermal mass temp of earth? I don't know either. BTW: If you think you need gov't to protect natural resources of value, well think again. Consider a crazy idea thrown around by a bunch of mud covered southern cavers in the 1980's to what it has become today. Some of these areas are also in conjunction with deer hunters who jumped on board to preserve wildlife habitat and protect it from development. Not all the Ted Nugent's of the world are bad guys. [URL='http://www.scci.org/'][COLOR=#ff0000][B]Southeastern Cave Conservancy [/B][/COLOR][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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