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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 574240" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><span style="color: blue">I've never said this to mean that this is how I believe it to be but rather after reading the legislative histories and some legal opinions, it is the position of both political parties in varying degrees that this meaning of the "general welfare" clause does mean in this manner. It's the old Jeffersonian verses Hamiltonian ideal again and even in the case of Jefferson, once he entered the oval office, even he couldn't resist the Hamiltonian way.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">As to the General Welfare clause nobody reads the Articles of Confederation anymore and it was in Article 3 of that document that we got the idea of the General Welfare clause and IMHO reading that clause I believe the same clause in the original Constitution was to have the same meaning and intent. And in reading the Art. of Confederation you and I completely agree that the intent of that clause was a ton more limited than what it is being used for today.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><u>Articles of Confederation</u></span></a></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">Now take Art 3 above and for starters re-read the Preamble and now apply that same standing to the Preamble meaning. I don't see anywhere that you "steal" otherwise called taxes from one person and give it to another whether is be public welfare, corporate welfare or any kind of welfare. That's how I see it and let's set the historical record here, what became the Constitutional Convention was in truth illegal as the delgated purpose was to modify the Articles, not draft a new document. My opinion, it's another reason the proceedings were kept secret but that's for another day and time. We can get Pickup to give us the Conspiracy angle.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">I'm going to assume at least at this point that my position is clear and that in fact we agree. My only point earlier was in making what the powers that be believe they can do and it's both parties doing it and I think there also we agree.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 574240, member: 2189"] [COLOR=blue]I've never said this to mean that this is how I believe it to be but rather after reading the legislative histories and some legal opinions, it is the position of both political parties in varying degrees that this meaning of the "general welfare" clause does mean in this manner. It's the old Jeffersonian verses Hamiltonian ideal again and even in the case of Jefferson, once he entered the oval office, even he couldn't resist the Hamiltonian way.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]As to the General Welfare clause nobody reads the Articles of Confederation anymore and it was in Article 3 of that document that we got the idea of the General Welfare clause and IMHO reading that clause I believe the same clause in the original Constitution was to have the same meaning and intent. And in reading the Art. of Confederation you and I completely agree that the intent of that clause was a ton more limited than what it is being used for today.[/COLOR] [URL="http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html"][COLOR=red][U]Articles of Confederation[/U][/COLOR][/URL] [COLOR=blue]Now take Art 3 above and for starters re-read the Preamble and now apply that same standing to the Preamble meaning. I don't see anywhere that you "steal" otherwise called taxes from one person and give it to another whether is be public welfare, corporate welfare or any kind of welfare. That's how I see it and let's set the historical record here, what became the Constitutional Convention was in truth illegal as the delgated purpose was to modify the Articles, not draft a new document. My opinion, it's another reason the proceedings were kept secret but that's for another day and time. We can get Pickup to give us the Conspiracy angle.:happy-very:[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]I'm going to assume at least at this point that my position is clear and that in fact we agree. My only point earlier was in making what the powers that be believe they can do and it's both parties doing it and I think there also we agree.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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