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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 578831" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>March 28th 2008, press release from US HHS website</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's make note, this coming out as it was also coming out that the economy was going bad. This would mean that the picture painted from 2007' hindsight would get much worse than the 75 year prediction then saw looking now from reality of 2009'. At least IMO anyway. Stands to reason with tax revenue drops from slowing economy coupling with not a cut in spending but vastly accelerated spending when tax revs dropping. Imagine UPS cutting your hours (less pay) and instead of reducing household expeditures, you hit the credit cards and open up a line of credit on you house at a point when before your hours were cut you were living paycheck to paycheck. As a individual, you know where this is headed so why is gov't any different?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My guess is also that 2019' date has moved up as well as this picture was based on 2007' numbers from a 1Q 2008' looking forward vision.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since I am of that 50 something age group, appears on the above they are trying to tell me something. It's not something I wasn't expecting anyway so OK, they admit the obvious.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Regardless of the past, IMO this above at least suggests to me that the healthcare plan being debated may in fact be more about saving Medicare than anything else. Based on the timeline of past reports and actions, it seems about the same time as before (latter spring/early summer) this was why the healthcare thing took on a crisis appearance with an almost "we gotta do something,anything, even wrong or else" attitude coupled with a "we don't have time to dibble on details, just do something yesterday" approach to it all. That's when self serving, self interests step in and hide the devil in the details that give us those infamous "unintended consequenses" down the road that cause another crisis which leads to another panic and we do this all over again. Hegelian dialectics it would seem and the synthesis always making it worse.</p><p></p><p>I don't/won't argue there is or may be a problem and regardless that I don't believe in a centralized state solution (monopolies are wrong even if they are the gov't or not and the non free market cartel/state alliance actually created the problem) to panic and go rushing in without true transparency and forthright public explaination of what is going to happen is another matter and not the right course.</p><p></p><p>People can argue that folks are disrupting Town Hall meetings, etc. and I've no doubt this is true (God bless em' for having the guts to disrupt something gov't!)but this also doesn't negate the fact that Congress and the President have failed to give details and good specific details at that (some even admitted there's to much there to even read)and has come out with the same notion as Bush and republicans did with Iraq and Afghanistan and that is, "Just Trust Us!" Now the door is wide open for all kinds of allegations from anything close to truth to as out there as the space ET now doing the most plastic surgery business in Hollywood. Considering Hollywood, that last one might be true!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>When it comes to the gov't and political opperatives, Trust no one, make them prove everything and every detail. They are all liars and nothing but and that is a proven fact over time. They only seek their own power and glory too your downfall and expense. Getting your vote and their agenda through is all that matters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 578831, member: 2189"] March 28th 2008, press release from US HHS website Let's make note, this coming out as it was also coming out that the economy was going bad. This would mean that the picture painted from 2007' hindsight would get much worse than the 75 year prediction then saw looking now from reality of 2009'. At least IMO anyway. Stands to reason with tax revenue drops from slowing economy coupling with not a cut in spending but vastly accelerated spending when tax revs dropping. Imagine UPS cutting your hours (less pay) and instead of reducing household expeditures, you hit the credit cards and open up a line of credit on you house at a point when before your hours were cut you were living paycheck to paycheck. As a individual, you know where this is headed so why is gov't any different? My guess is also that 2019' date has moved up as well as this picture was based on 2007' numbers from a 1Q 2008' looking forward vision. Since I am of that 50 something age group, appears on the above they are trying to tell me something. It's not something I wasn't expecting anyway so OK, they admit the obvious. Regardless of the past, IMO this above at least suggests to me that the healthcare plan being debated may in fact be more about saving Medicare than anything else. Based on the timeline of past reports and actions, it seems about the same time as before (latter spring/early summer) this was why the healthcare thing took on a crisis appearance with an almost "we gotta do something,anything, even wrong or else" attitude coupled with a "we don't have time to dibble on details, just do something yesterday" approach to it all. That's when self serving, self interests step in and hide the devil in the details that give us those infamous "unintended consequenses" down the road that cause another crisis which leads to another panic and we do this all over again. Hegelian dialectics it would seem and the synthesis always making it worse. I don't/won't argue there is or may be a problem and regardless that I don't believe in a centralized state solution (monopolies are wrong even if they are the gov't or not and the non free market cartel/state alliance actually created the problem) to panic and go rushing in without true transparency and forthright public explaination of what is going to happen is another matter and not the right course. People can argue that folks are disrupting Town Hall meetings, etc. and I've no doubt this is true (God bless em' for having the guts to disrupt something gov't!)but this also doesn't negate the fact that Congress and the President have failed to give details and good specific details at that (some even admitted there's to much there to even read)and has come out with the same notion as Bush and republicans did with Iraq and Afghanistan and that is, "Just Trust Us!" Now the door is wide open for all kinds of allegations from anything close to truth to as out there as the space ET now doing the most plastic surgery business in Hollywood. Considering Hollywood, that last one might be true! :happy-very: When it comes to the gov't and political opperatives, Trust no one, make them prove everything and every detail. They are all liars and nothing but and that is a proven fact over time. They only seek their own power and glory too your downfall and expense. Getting your vote and their agenda through is all that matters. [/QUOTE]
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