Ground Driver, Am I Being Underpaid?

STFXG

Well-Known Member
I Work 30 hours a week and get paid for 35 (17hrs a week is PT 35hrs a week is FT, that's the minimum no mater what you work). Express is way better than Ground. Paying $3000.00 a year for my school now.
Just getting to a stable route and not having managers treat you like a swing driver is the trick.
You should change your name to AllEnvelopes.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
LOL - I can see that you are one of the habitual complainers and whiners who has a hard time with reality. Most successful people who use the "idiotic libertarian free market" recognize that complaining does nothing to improve ANYTHING let alone their circumstances. So keep on complaining, I am sure that you will be the one who finally discovers how complaining will improve your life and you can capitalize on it by writing a self help book for all the other whiners and losers who haven't figured it out yet - oh wait, you believe in the socialist/marxist economy - so you will impart freely of your knowledge - but wait (again), what am I thinking, you already are spewing your worthless complaining for all to read. I am sure that thousands have benefited from your knowledge, if not, at least they have benefited from your grade school, name calling wit and humor.

I have explained this before, so here's a short version. FedEx Ground totally refutes Libertarian thought and principles. There is no level playing field, the free market is rigged for Mr. Smith, and Ground drivers who get food stamps and ER medical coverage are subsidized by taxpayers.

Scam, pure and simple.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
I have explained this before, so here's a short version. FedEx Ground totally refutes Libertarian thought and principles. There is no level playing field, the free market is rigged for Mr. Smith, and Ground drivers who get food stamps and ER medical coverage are subsidized by taxpayers.

Scam, pure and simple.
What you have described is not at all a scam. It may very well be a sad example of what happens when both political parties bow to the wishes of big business and money, but that does not make it a scam.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
What you have described is not at all a scam. It may very well be a sad example of what happens when both political parties bow to the wishes of big business and money, but that does not make it a scam.
Actually it does. It's one HUGE scam.
 

RALD276

Member
I have explained this before, so here's a short version. FedEx Ground totally refutes Libertarian thought and principles. There is no level playing field, the free market is rigged for Mr. Smith, and Ground drivers who get food stamps and ER medical coverage are subsidized by taxpayers.

Scam, pure and simple.

I just have to wonder what field is level anyway. I mean, did you or anyone else take the risk Smith took to start the business? Who has to pay for a truck or aircraft when it tanks or has a major repair? Who has to bear the burden of liability from a fatality or other costly incident? etc, etc etc... The grass is always greener on the other side, but it rarely is once you cross the fence.
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
I just have to wonder what field is level anyway. I mean, did you or anyone else take the risk Smith took to start the business? Who has to pay for a truck or aircraft when it tanks or has a major repair? Who has to bear the burden of liability from a fatality or other costly incident? etc, etc etc... The grass is always greener on the other side, but it rarely is once you cross the fence.
Those costs are always absorbed by the employees with lower scale pay, reduced benefits, higher costs of insurance, stagnant raises, etc. Can't tell you how many times over the years the hourlies have had to make these kind of sacrifices. Funny how there is always more than enough money to go around to make the upper crust of the company very, very rich.

And yes Smith did take a big risk by forging his sisters names on bank documents when he started up the company and that risk was the penitentiary. And as usual he walked between the raindrops and avoided that.
 

l22

Well-Known Member
What you have described is not at all a scam. It may very well be a sad example of what happens when both political parties bow to the wishes of big business and money, but that does not make it a scam.

Ground is a way for Fedex to cut costs by not giving it's employees anything far from Wal-Mart wages. The brilliance of the whole thing (the evil brilliance) is that the burden is supposedly passed on to the contractors to give their employees benefits instead of Fedex providing them even though Fedex Ground is a company under the Fedex name. While all of this happens, the majority of the public naturally doesn't know the difference between Ground and Express and why would they? Fedex Ground allows the public to think they are getting great Fedex service (which is often BS in the first place, but something that the public often expected when using Express.), when they are using an entirely different company from Express - the company that built what Fedex is today. It's all BS really. If it's not a scam, it's just a really messed up way of running a business and it shouldn't be tolerated. The lawsuits against Ground are going to keep coming and that's a good thing.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Ground is a way for Fedex to cut costs by not giving it's employees anything far from Wal-Mart wages. The brilliance of the whole thing (the evil brilliance) is that the burden is supposedly passed on to the contractors to give their employees benefits instead of Fedex providing them even though Fedex Ground is a company under the Fedex name. While all of this happens, the majority of the public naturally doesn't know the difference between Ground and Express and why would they? Fedex Ground allows the public to think they are getting great Fedex service (which is often BS in the first place, but something that the public often expected when using Express.), when they are using an entirely different company from Express - the company that built what Fedex is today. It's all BS really. If it's not a scam, it's just a really messed up way of running a business and it shouldn't be tolerated. The lawsuits against Ground are going to keep coming and that's a good thing.
All the lawsuits do is force FedEx to amend the Ground model. Their ISP model which has been around for nearly a decade has yet to be successfully challenged I believe.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
All the lawsuits do is force FedEx to amend the Ground model. Their ISP model which has been around for nearly a decade has yet to be successfully challenged I believe.

As I have said many times before, the Ground model makes a lot of sense from a purely business point of view.
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
We have had this discussion before.

I see.

So your comfortable with the double standard of UPS pay & benefits while it's OK for someone else to accept low wages with no benefits for doing the same work? Also you seem to like the proposed two-tier wage scale that would affect newer UPS employees. Right?
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
I see.

So your comfortable with the double standard of UPS pay & benefits while it's OK for someone else to accept low wages with no benefits for doing the same work? Also you seem to like the proposed two-tier wage scale that would affect newer UPS employees. Right?
That's right. And if YOU and your fellow couriers weren't OK with it, you would have organized by now, RLA be damned. Everybody knows the lay of the playing field and few do anything to change it.
 
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