Guard Shack, Guns, Security

[FilingBluesFL]

For the past couple months my supervisor's had us sending open boxes straight to the damages area, regardless of just how "open" they are. Our building's got a theft problem (not sure how big it is, to be honest) and this guy told us not to load a "****in' thing" if it's even got a flap up. Send it down the belt and it'll end up in the damages area where open packages are now being checked to make sure the contents match the packing slip before being retaped and carted to their destination at the end of the shift. It's a hassle but it's pretty much eliminated retaping on the belt, so there's that.

It seems the more the full time supervisors yell and scream about not loading damaged packages and to not let a single one get past you, the more and more damaged packages ARE loaded AS-IS by the part time supervisors.

When I worked pre-load, I'd have a whole half of the trailer with damages and re-tapes... part time super would come in, and tell me to throw them up on the belt and they'll be dealt with somewhere else...

Now as a driver, I see the DM come in, scream about damaged packages getting customers and to pull them off the cars before we leave, and then when we do that, the on-roads tell us to put it back in the car and deliver it....

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

It seems the more the full time supervisors yell and scream about not loading damaged packages and to not let a single one get past you, the more and more damaged packages ARE loaded AS-IS by the part time supervisors.

When I worked pre-load, I'd have a whole half of the trailer with damages and re-tapes... part time super would come in, and tell me to throw them up on the belt and they'll be dealt with somewhere else...

Now as a driver, I see the DM come in, scream about damaged packages getting customers and to pull them off the cars before we leave, and then when we do that, the on-roads tell us to put it back in the car and deliver it....

I would let that on road know you will not be loading said package as instructed by DM.

 

[ChickenLegs]

I would let that on road know you will not be loading said package as instructed by DM.

I disagree. The appropriate way to handle this would be to inform your on road about the instructions from your DM --- then let him decide how you should proceed. We don't get to make decisions.

 

[FilingBluesFL]

I disagree. The appropriate way to handle this would be to inform your on road about the instructions from your DM --- then let him decide how you should proceed. We don't get to make decisions.

Yeah, usually when the DM is there giving his diatribe and demands, they are standing right next to him, suit and tie on, nodding in agreement, and then of course when he's done, they add their own commentary in about the subject, and then go do this.

Typical dog and pony show.

 

[TheFigurehead]

We have a guard shack and fences. It would be hard to get a gun through there.

Your hub checks employees on the way in? We have two guard shacks and 8 ft fences... so it would be difficult to get something out, but there is no metal detector or wanding on the inbound side. Someone could strap a missle launcher on their back and walk on through, so long as they had an id.

 

[soberups]

Iiiiii, not sure I would do that again.
holy cow!
Keep it out of the premises.

Why?

Am I not entitled to ship firearms through UPS like any other paying customer?

A customer could drive onto the premises with a firearm in a box, take it in to the customer counter, and ship it. Why would my status as an employee prevent me from doing the same?

 

[Catatonic]

Why?

Am I not entitled to ship firearms through UPS like any other paying customer?

A customer could drive onto the premises with a firearm in a box, take it in to the customer counter, and ship it. Why would my status as an employee prevent me from doing the same?

When I read you post, I was amazed. Even in Georgia, I don't think I would have done that.

There is a difference between taking a gun to the counter and shipping it and bringing it into the workplace and have someone else then "walk" it out to the counter for you.
I have CCW but mainly used it for hiking but I always kept a 9mm in my glove compartment.
I was advised by a level 20 and 22 that I could be fired for driving my vehicle with a firearm in it onto UPS property. Georgia has a law that your car is an extension of your home and therefore, if your gun is in the glove compartment you can take it anywhere.
I personally felt their interpretation was wrong but I took it as friendly advise and started parking across the street at WalMart.

UPS has a very strongly worded (zero tolerance) policy on no firearms in the workplace.

 

[Ouch]

Only USPS is allowed to go postal. I think it has something to do with seeing the inside of mailboxes.

We have to go parcel

 

[ORLY!?!]

You reach into open boxes and remove the contents?

Bye, bye ORLY.

I usally dont, but when the gun has been floating out of box put in wrong by the chargers or others, it has to be done. I have to refit the gun back in its correct placement. I often check to see if the gun is loaded, which comes first amongst anything.

I do it in the open, make sure to let people see what I'm doing. I couldnt careless whats in packages, its just cardboard to me. But when your talking about an open firearm, one has to be safe when handling.

 

[ORLY!?!]

For the past couple months my supervisor's had us sending open boxes straight to the damages area, regardless of just how "open" they are. Our building's got a theft problem (not sure how big it is, to be honest) and this guy told us not to load a "****in' thing" if it's even got a flap up. Send it down the belt and it'll end up in the damages area where open packages are now being checked to make sure the contents match the packing slip before being retaped and carted to their destination at the end of the shift. It's a hassle but it's pretty much eliminated retaping on the belt, so there's that.

I would never steal anything from here. We had a guy a couple of years ago get caught dumping labtops over a fence to another guy. And he was a 22.3, making a grand a week for simple work. The cops got a warrent to his house and found a wealth of stolen goods from UPS. I'm sure he's still in prison to this day.

Stealing from this place is a huge no-no. Its like being a sex offender, your life is pretty much over after that. Well thats how I see it.

 

[mixyo]

Last week someone at our facility was caught stealing cell phones. They said they are buckling down on security (no personal electronics in the facility) but so far nothing has changed...the guards barely even notice you as you leave.

 

[soberups]

When I read you post, I was amazed. Even in Georgia, I don't think I would have done that.

There is a difference between taking a gun to the counter and shipping it and bringing it into the workplace and have someone else then "walk" it out to the counter for you.
I have CCW but mainly used it for hiking but I always kept a 9mm in my glove compartment.
I was advised by a level 20 and 22 that I could be fired for driving my vehicle with a firearm in it onto UPS property. Georgia has a law that your car is an extension of your home and therefore, if your gun is in the glove compartment you can take it anywhere.
I personally felt their interpretation was wrong but I took it as friendly advise and started parking across the street at WalMart.

UPS has a very strongly worded (zero tolerance) policy on no firearms in the workplace.

I needed to ship the gun back to the factory.

The public entrance to our Customer Counter is approximately 20 feet from the employee entrance.

Our Customer Counter opens to the public an hour after I leave the building, and it closes about an hour before I usually get back.

I called my center manager and asked what I should do in order to legally ship this gun, and she said to box it up with a NDA waybill filled out with my credit card# and leave it in the office so that it could be walked over to the Customer Counter the next day.

UPS's "zero tolerance" policy on firearms in the workplace was never intended to prevent an employee who is also a paying customer from shipping a firearm.

Furthermore, Art 26 of the Western Conference language regarding suspensions and terminations very clearly lists the cardinal infractions for which an employee can be terminated without first going through the progressive discipline process. Bringing a boxed-up firearm in to be shipped is not a cardinal infraction, so if some idiot really did want to make a big deal out of it the worst he could do would be to give me a warning letter.

As far as guns in cars in the employee parking lot goes...you should see our parking lot on the Friday before opening morning of deer hunting season. The back rows are full of pickups with campers and trailers, all loaded up with gear and ready to head for the hills after work. Anyone with a brain would know that there are hunting rifles in those campers, but that doesnt give the company the right to search them without the owners consent.

 

[jibbs]

I would never steal anything from here. We had a guy a couple of years ago get caught dumping labtops over a fence to another guy. And he was a 22.3, making a grand a week for simple work. The cops got a warrent to his house and found a wealth of stolen goods from UPS. I'm sure he's still in prison to this day.

Stealing from this place is a huge no-no. Its like being a sex offender, your life is pretty much over after that. Well thats how I see it.

I don't know about warrants and investigations outside of the workplace, but I've seen more than enough people walked out in handcuffs by police escort to know that I should keep my hands to myself and out of the boxes that help provide my paycheck.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

I usally dont, but when the gun has been floating out of box put in wrong by the chargers or others, it has to be done. I have to refit the gun back in its correct placement. I often check to see if the gun is loaded, which comes first amongst anything.

I do it in the open, make sure to let people see what I'm doing. I couldnt careless whats in packages, its just cardboard to me. But when your talking about an open firearm, one has to be safe when handling.

I don't care what it is, a box of sex toys or a rifle. I was taught in my building, if a box comes down my slide opened or damaged, with the contents falling out, we are supposed to place off to the side and have a sup put the contents back and retape it. If I get contents of a package and no box, place to the side and notify sup. I've had watches, jewelry, pills, ipods...all kinds of random things come down my belt over the years. Let someone else deal with it...I don't want to put myself in a position where I'm seen with my hands inside a package for any reason.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

I would never steal anything from here. We had a guy a couple of years ago get caught dumping labtops over a fence to another guy. And he was a 22.3, making a grand a week for simple work. The cops got a warrent to his house and found a wealth of stolen goods from UPS. I'm sure he's still in prison to this day.

Stealing from this place is a huge no-no. Its like being a sex offender, your life is pretty much over after that. Well thats how I see it.

That story sounds very familiar....had a driver fired for the same thing. People never learn.

 

[Jackburton]

Never put yourself in a position where your integrity can be questioned.

 

[upschuck]

I don't care what it is, a box of sex toys or a rifle. I was taught in my building, if a box comes down my slide opened or damaged, with the contents falling out, we are supposed to place off to the side and have a sup put the contents back and retape it. If I get contents of a package and no box, place to the side and notify sup. I've had watches, jewelry, pills, ipods...all kinds of random things come down my belt over the years. Let someone else deal with it...I don't want to put myself in a position where I'm seen with my hands inside a package for any reason.

We have a union person do that.

 

[misload]

The center i'm at the guards use to just check you on the way out.

Untill about 3 weeks ago, while leaving this kid had a hand gun in his book bag.

The cops were there the next morning. They fired the kid and they had off duty cops patrolling the center for a week or two.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

We have a union person do that.

I don't care who does it, as long as it's not my responsibility. I want nothing to do with handling the contents of a package.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I don't care who does it, as long as it's not my responsibility.

Typical union response.