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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 861194" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Those are good points. When I read that in "Norway it only takes 90 minutes...etc...." I paused to consider then that it only took a split second for an honest hardworking architect to fly a jet airplane into a building to become a mass murdering global terrorist but then that's here in America. Oh wait, he didn't use a gun in that whole process so does it still apply at all to the example?</p><p></p><p>Killing someone to me is like digging a hole. If you have a hole to be dug, the best tool is a good shovel. But if no shovel is available and the hole must be dug, a number of other tools can be used in substitute that are not as efficient but with a little more time still gets the job done anyway.</p><p></p><p>As I see it, the root cause of killing is not the tool chosen but a purely mental problem or as some would say, a problem of the heart. I still like the ideal of beating swords into plowshares (IMO one of the most beautiful ideals in all of the Bible) but the idea that only doing so on the part of the non-state segment of society thus leaving the state only to pick and choose who it would arm for it's own self interest would be akin to a slave putting on his own chains and then making sure the field master always had his whip at the ready.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of, if the Africans in Africa had at least equal weapons eg firearms, what are the chances America would even have a slave history at all? Plains Indians? </p><p></p><p>Firearms in mass are not a product of free men in a free market, it's a bi-product of the state and nationstate system. Ponder that a moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 861194, member: 2189"] Those are good points. When I read that in "Norway it only takes 90 minutes...etc...." I paused to consider then that it only took a split second for an honest hardworking architect to fly a jet airplane into a building to become a mass murdering global terrorist but then that's here in America. Oh wait, he didn't use a gun in that whole process so does it still apply at all to the example? Killing someone to me is like digging a hole. If you have a hole to be dug, the best tool is a good shovel. But if no shovel is available and the hole must be dug, a number of other tools can be used in substitute that are not as efficient but with a little more time still gets the job done anyway. As I see it, the root cause of killing is not the tool chosen but a purely mental problem or as some would say, a problem of the heart. I still like the ideal of beating swords into plowshares (IMO one of the most beautiful ideals in all of the Bible) but the idea that only doing so on the part of the non-state segment of society thus leaving the state only to pick and choose who it would arm for it's own self interest would be akin to a slave putting on his own chains and then making sure the field master always had his whip at the ready. Speaking of, if the Africans in Africa had at least equal weapons eg firearms, what are the chances America would even have a slave history at all? Plains Indians? Firearms in mass are not a product of free men in a free market, it's a bi-product of the state and nationstate system. Ponder that a moment. [/QUOTE]
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