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MrFedEx

Engorged Member
I would trust vets 100 X more than non vets.

And how many mass shooting in the last 10 years were done by vets that weren't Muslim?

None.

Many of our mentally ill/homeless are vets, and plenty of them have dangerous psychological issues. They fight for our country, and then don't get the proper help they need when they return. Usually, they kill themselves, not others, which is tragic. Many of them should not have guns.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Many of our mentally ill/homeless are vets, and plenty of them have dangerous psychological issues. They fight for our country, and then don't get the proper help they need when they return. Usually, they kill themselves, not others, which is tragic. Many of them should not have guns.
Most are fine.

The few that have issues are usually not dangerous to others.

Either way, I trust vets more than any other group to open or conceal carry.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
The Parable of the Sheep

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Not so long ago and in a pasture too uncomfortably close to here, a flock of sheep lived and grazed. They were protected by a dog, who answered to the master, but despite his best efforts from time to time a nearby pack of wolves would prey upon the flock.

One day a group of sheep, more bold than the rest, met to discuss their dilemma. “Our dog is good, and vigilant, but he is one dog and the wolves are many. The wolves he catches are not always killed, and the master judges and releases many to prey again upon us, for no reason we can understand. What can we do? We are sheep, but we do not wish to be food, too!”

One sheep spoke up, saying “It is his teeth and claws that make the wolf so terrible to us. It is his nature to prey, and he would find any way to do it, but it is the tools he wields that make it possible. If we had such teeth, we could fight back, and stop this savagery.” The other sheep clamored in agreement, and they went together to the old bones of the dead wolves heaped in the corner of the pasture, and gathered fang and claw and made them into weapons.

That night, when the wolves came, the newly armed sheep sprang up with their weapons and struck at them and cried “Begone! We are not food!” and drove off the wolves, who were astonished. When did sheep become so bold and so dangerous to wolves? When did sheep grow teeth? It was unthinkable!

The next day, flush with victory and waving their weapons, they approached the flock to pronounce their discovery. But as they drew nigh, the flock huddled together and cried out “Baaaaaaaadddd! Baaaaaddd things! You have bad things! We are afraid! You are not sheep!”

The brave sheep stopped, amazed. “But we are your brethren!” they cried, “We are still sheep, but we do not wish to be food. See, our new teeth and claws protect us and have saved us from slaughter. They do not make us into wolves, they make us equal to the wolves, and safe from their viciousness!”

“Baaaaaaaddd!”, cried the flock,”the things are bad and will pervert you, and we fear them. You cannot bring them into the flock. They scare us!”. So the armed sheep resolved to conceal their weapons, for although they had no desire to panic the flock, they wished to remain in the fold. But they would not return to those nights of terror, waiting for the wolves to come.

In time, the wolves attacked less often and sought easier prey, for they had no stomach for fighting sheep who possessed tooth and claw even as they did. Not knowing which sheep had fangs and which did not, they came to leave sheep out of their diet almost completely except for the occasional raid, from which more than one wolf did not return. Then came the day when, as the flock grazed beside the stream, one sheep’s weapon slipped from the folds of her fleece, and the flock cried out in terror again, “Baaaaaaddddd! You still possess these evil things! We must ban you from our presence!”.

And so they did. The great chief sheep and his court and council, encouraged by the words of their moneylenders and advisors, placed signs and totems at the edges of the pasture forbidding the presence of hidden weapons there. The armed sheep protested before the council, saying “It is our pasture, too, and we have never harmed you! When can you say we have caused you hurt? It is the wolves, not we, who prey upon you. We are still sheep, but we are not food!”. But the flock would not hear, and drowned them out with cries of “Baaaaaaddd! We will not hear your clever words! You and your things are evil and will harm us!”.

Saddened by this rejection, the armed sheep moved off and spent their days on the edges of the flock, trying from time to time to speak with their brethren to convince them of the wisdom of having such teeth, but meeting with little success. They found it hard to talk to those who, upon hearing their words, would roll back their eyes and flee, crying “Baaaaddd! Bad things!”.

That night, the wolves happened upon the sheep’s totems and signs, and said, “Truly, these sheep are fools! They have told us they have no teeth! Brothers, let us feed!”. And they set upon the flock, and horrible was the carnage in the midst of the fold. The dog fought like a demon, and often seemed to be in two places at once, but even he could not halt the slaughter. It was only when the other sheep arrived with their weapons that the wolves fled, vowing to each other to remain on the edge of the pasture and wait for the next time they could prey, for if the sheep were so foolish once, they would be so again. This they did, and do still.

In the morning, the armed sheep spoke to the flock, and said, “See? If the wolves know you have no teeth, they will fall upon you. Why be prey? To be a sheep does not mean to be food for wolves!”. But the flock cried out, more feebly for their voices were fewer, though with no less terror, “Baaaaaaaadddd! These things are bad! If they were banished, the wolves would not harm us! Baaaaaaaddd!”. The other sheep could only hang their heads and sigh. The flock had forgotten that even they possessed teeth; how else could they graze the grasses of the pasture? It was only those who preyed, like the wolves and jackals, who turned their teeth to evil ends. If you pulled their own fangs those beasts would take another’s teeth and claws, perhaps even the broad flat teeth of sheep, and turn them to evil purposes.

The bold sheep knew that the fangs and claws they possessed had not changed them. They still grazed like other sheep, and raised their lambs in the spring, and greeted their friend the dog as he walked among them. But they could not quell the terror of the flock, which rose in them like some ancient dark smoky spirit and could not be damped by reason, nor dispelled by the light of day.

So they resolved to retain their weapons, but to conceal them from the flock; to endure their fear and loathing, and even to protect their brethren if the need arose, until the day the flock learned to understand that as long as there were wolves in the night, sheep would need teeth to repel them.

They would still be sheep, but they would not be food!
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(I did not write this, I just found it on another forum)
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
This will be the next gun the gun grabbers will be unsuccessful in keeping me from buying and keeping in my home (or possibly in my personal vehicle) per The Second Amendment. ;)


How about I just come-up from behind and hit you over the head with my $1.99 Harbor Freight Tools hammer, and I take your Sig, Uzi, or AR and shoot you with it.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
How about I just come-up from behind and hit you over the head with my $1.99 Harbor Freight Tools hammer, and I take your Sig, Uzi, or AR and shoot you with it.
That scenario kind of puts a damper on the gun control rhetoric though doesn't it... insert banning hammers comparison here.
Harbor freight tools is pretty great though.... as long as you stay away from most of their cheap ass chinese made power tools.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
This will be the next gun the gun grabbers will be unsuccessful in keeping me from buying and keeping in my home (or possibly in my personal vehicle) per The Second Amendment. ;)

Nice gun, but I have never been a fan of pistol-caliber carbines. If I need two hands to use it, I want it to be putting some serious power downrange. For the same money, I could get a decent 12 gauge and a quality handgun.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
I've never actually wanted a gun until I got onto the BC.
Too expensive of a hobby for me.... One for me and one for the wife is one more than we need. She never carries, and lately I don't either.... work, eat, sleep, repeat. Can't carry at work, so they just sit untouched for the most part.
 

BrownArmy

Well-Known Member
Too expensive of a hobby for me.... One for me and one for the wife is one more than we need. She never carries, and lately I don't either.... work, eat, sleep, repeat. Can't carry at work, so they just sit untouched for the most part.

I grew up in NYC - if you had a gun, you were a cop, or you were a bad guy.

Simply never occurred to me.

I have enough hobbies as it is.
 

Overpaid Union Thug

Well-Known Member
Nice gun, but I have never been a fan of pistol-caliber carbines. If I need two hands to use it, I want it to be putting some serious power downrange. For the same money, I could get a decent 12 gauge and a quality handgun.
It doesn't require two hands. Plus, this will be in addition to a quality handgun. And I have an AR 15 and a shotgun. :)
 

Johney

Well-Known Member
How about I just come-up from behind and hit you over the head with my $1.99 Harbor Freight Tools hammer, and I take your Sig, Uzi, or AR and shoot you with it.
You sir have some very BIG balls if you're gonna sneak up behind someone holding that gun with just a hammer in your hand. May you R.I.P.
 

Overpaid Union Thug

Well-Known Member
Too expensive of a hobby for me.... One for me and one for the wife is one more than we need. She never carries, and lately I don't either.... work, eat, sleep, repeat. Can't carry at work, so they just sit untouched for the most part.
It can be expensive but doesn't have to be. In my state we can have our guns loaded while they are in our vehicles in the parking lot whether we have carry permits or not and there's nothing UPS can legally do about it. So, many of our drivers, and probably part timers too, have a gun in their vehicles.
 

The Other Side

Well-Known Troll
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It can be expensive but doesn't have to be. In my state we can have our guns loaded while they are in our vehicles in the parking lot whether we have carry permits or not and there's nothing UPS can legally do about it. So, many of our drivers, and probably part timers too, have a gun in their vehicles.

YOU are the classic type of person the COMPANY has to worry about. A right wing fanatic, a government hating individual who is armed to the teeth with weapons, and dumb enough to bring them to work loaded and in his car.

The parking lot of UPS is private property, and you have no protections there. UPS can and SHOULD discipline you for having loaded weapons in your car while in the company parking lot which is private property.

One day, when your life doesnt go well, and you lose your mind, like all the other gun owners who brought their weapons to work, and you shoot up the place like the nut in Alabama who like YOU, felt the need to have his guns in his car on company property.

Of course, like most gun owners, his inability to handle lifes problems without a gun trumped his reasoning when he got fired, and he simply walked to his car, retrieved his weapons, walked back into the hub and shot and killed two people, then like a coward, shot himself.

If you were in my hub, I would report you and insist that you be prevented from having guns on property as you pose the biggest threat to all employees.

Your political leanings tell us everything we need to know. Right Wing extremist.

The most dangerous type of American. AKA Timothy McViegh.


TOS.
 
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