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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 652560" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>According to this <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080831061404/http://www.momlogic.com/2008/08/protect_your_kids_from_guns.php" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">2008' article</span></a> more than 500 children per year die of accidential gunshot. Now whether this is accurate or not, others can judge but I want to address the point made by bbsam where he/she (sorry I don't know your gender but didn't want to offend either by assuming) said more people killed accidentially than are saved. I'm not here to prove or disprove because like bbsam doesn't have data to support (per own admmission), I don't have data to disprove either. What I do look at is root cause and what in fact does pose the greatest threat to children and I contend that the individual with a gun is by far and away a much lesser threat to the children while we completely ignore the real root cause and greatest threat. Case in point.</p><p>[media=youtube]FbIX1CP9qr4[/media]</p><p></p><p>Now if you are gonna be consistant about "protecting the children" "protecting the innocent" you will seek to ban all threats to children and the innocent!</p><p></p><p>And here's a true fact if you dare follow the trail and I'll use Colt Arms as a case in point. Right from their website is a history of the company itself and I'd invite you to read it and you'll see a very common thread that at the end, if you are an honest person, would ask, had there been no State, no State involvement at all, would there even be a Colt Industries today? If you look at the mid-1800's and Colt's Walker pistol and are honest, you'd have to answer in all probability, no there would be no Colt. And if no Colt, how many revolvers, semi-automatic pistols or how many civilian AR-15's and the many knockoffs would not be around.</p><p></p><p>The State has always been the silent partner in the arms bidness and without the gov't contracts, those mass production lines are economically unsustainable and at best, the firearms industry would be small in scale on the order of a large machine shop at best (and I speak as a former tool and die machinist myself before my UPS career) with the vast majority of guns being hand built which is a slower process compared to mass production lines. Even with more advanced weaponry, the State at some points via treaty and alliances (after effective lobbying from weapon makers and banking interests who benefit from financing with US Taxpayer supports) allow weapon makers to sell their wares to foreign interests which quite often comes back to haunt us. Case in point, Albright's focus of her "it's worth it" cause!</p><p></p><p>Go ahead and blame the individual because it is the easiest to do but the simple fact is that the State itself, in pursuit of it's own self interests has created the environment to which you protest and now you seek to further grant greater monopoly to a greedy, tyranntical, evil, self serving, malevolent power who throughout history has in it's own course of purpose killed more people and destroyed more lives that would make in sheer numbers all those killed by individuals seem like a grain of sand to the entirity of all the deserts and beaches on the planet.</p><p></p><p>Again, if you are consistent but then there's always room we can find for you in TOS's new thread, Hypocrisy 101!</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 652560, member: 2189"] According to this [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20080831061404/http://www.momlogic.com/2008/08/protect_your_kids_from_guns.php'][COLOR=red]2008' article[/COLOR][/URL] more than 500 children per year die of accidential gunshot. Now whether this is accurate or not, others can judge but I want to address the point made by bbsam where he/she (sorry I don't know your gender but didn't want to offend either by assuming) said more people killed accidentially than are saved. I'm not here to prove or disprove because like bbsam doesn't have data to support (per own admmission), I don't have data to disprove either. What I do look at is root cause and what in fact does pose the greatest threat to children and I contend that the individual with a gun is by far and away a much lesser threat to the children while we completely ignore the real root cause and greatest threat. Case in point. [media=youtube]FbIX1CP9qr4[/media] Now if you are gonna be consistant about "protecting the children" "protecting the innocent" you will seek to ban all threats to children and the innocent! And here's a true fact if you dare follow the trail and I'll use Colt Arms as a case in point. Right from their website is a history of the company itself and I'd invite you to read it and you'll see a very common thread that at the end, if you are an honest person, would ask, had there been no State, no State involvement at all, would there even be a Colt Industries today? If you look at the mid-1800's and Colt's Walker pistol and are honest, you'd have to answer in all probability, no there would be no Colt. And if no Colt, how many revolvers, semi-automatic pistols or how many civilian AR-15's and the many knockoffs would not be around. The State has always been the silent partner in the arms bidness and without the gov't contracts, those mass production lines are economically unsustainable and at best, the firearms industry would be small in scale on the order of a large machine shop at best (and I speak as a former tool and die machinist myself before my UPS career) with the vast majority of guns being hand built which is a slower process compared to mass production lines. Even with more advanced weaponry, the State at some points via treaty and alliances (after effective lobbying from weapon makers and banking interests who benefit from financing with US Taxpayer supports) allow weapon makers to sell their wares to foreign interests which quite often comes back to haunt us. Case in point, Albright's focus of her "it's worth it" cause! Go ahead and blame the individual because it is the easiest to do but the simple fact is that the State itself, in pursuit of it's own self interests has created the environment to which you protest and now you seek to further grant greater monopoly to a greedy, tyranntical, evil, self serving, malevolent power who throughout history has in it's own course of purpose killed more people and destroyed more lives that would make in sheer numbers all those killed by individuals seem like a grain of sand to the entirity of all the deserts and beaches on the planet. Again, if you are consistent but then there's always room we can find for you in TOS's new thread, Hypocrisy 101! :wink2: :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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