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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 680564" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>As for the 2 links at Taki's, I had seen both those articles but good job in raising them here as they do apply. You are correct about the need of individuals taking responsibility but consider this a moment. You are fishing in your favorite fishing spot and I walk up and sit down and while doing so I'm kicking my feet in the water and poking a stick in the mud stirring up silt. As a result, you get no bites and I turn around and call you a sorry fisherman. But the only true way to see whether you are a good fisherman or not is for me to leave you alone and see what you catch. If you limit out, I like mine pan fried but if not then you have to examine your own ability and then live with the choices you have made. </p><p> </p><p>We've been down there (good or bad) playing in their fishing hole so to speak and all the reaction have been in reference to what they've had to deal with based on our imposing or interventions. Africa may be a basket case but to ignore the 100's of years of European colonialist interventions if not outright occupations as having no effect on the current situation IMO would be foolish. Don't walk behind someone tripping them and then declare to everyone else that they can't walk on their own. Leaving them alone also removes any obligation on the part of taxpayers to in any way shape or form fund, suppliment or subsidize in any way these people or their lands. These monies then could be left alone in the free market economy for free human action to allocate best where these resources should go and right now I'd rather see these monies in the hands of free market forces creating jobs here at home rather than abroad when they typically go to corrupt govt's and back into the hands of various corp. interests who benefit from propping up these corrupt govt's to begin with.</p><p> </p><p>If these corporations want to do bidness in these countries, let them absorb the full cost (including their own security and defense) and not pass any of this onto the taxpayer. It might be then seen that globalization isn't so cost effective after all and that making goods abroad is only cheap because the US laws are crafted to subsidize this and that we are in effect paying even more in reality of what it would cost if we made this stuff here at home even at current labor prices. What is the cost to taxpayers of providing security to keep and maintain transit lanes open for shipping purposes? Is that cost ever included in that "made in China" underwear we buy? Do you think any and all taxes associated with that underwear reflect that cost? If it did and it was included, that underwear price would likely chap you in a place you wouldn't like! And yes, I'm not leaving UPS out of this either. Nor FedEx bbsam!</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 680564, member: 2189"] As for the 2 links at Taki's, I had seen both those articles but good job in raising them here as they do apply. You are correct about the need of individuals taking responsibility but consider this a moment. You are fishing in your favorite fishing spot and I walk up and sit down and while doing so I'm kicking my feet in the water and poking a stick in the mud stirring up silt. As a result, you get no bites and I turn around and call you a sorry fisherman. But the only true way to see whether you are a good fisherman or not is for me to leave you alone and see what you catch. If you limit out, I like mine pan fried but if not then you have to examine your own ability and then live with the choices you have made. We've been down there (good or bad) playing in their fishing hole so to speak and all the reaction have been in reference to what they've had to deal with based on our imposing or interventions. Africa may be a basket case but to ignore the 100's of years of European colonialist interventions if not outright occupations as having no effect on the current situation IMO would be foolish. Don't walk behind someone tripping them and then declare to everyone else that they can't walk on their own. Leaving them alone also removes any obligation on the part of taxpayers to in any way shape or form fund, suppliment or subsidize in any way these people or their lands. These monies then could be left alone in the free market economy for free human action to allocate best where these resources should go and right now I'd rather see these monies in the hands of free market forces creating jobs here at home rather than abroad when they typically go to corrupt govt's and back into the hands of various corp. interests who benefit from propping up these corrupt govt's to begin with. If these corporations want to do bidness in these countries, let them absorb the full cost (including their own security and defense) and not pass any of this onto the taxpayer. It might be then seen that globalization isn't so cost effective after all and that making goods abroad is only cheap because the US laws are crafted to subsidize this and that we are in effect paying even more in reality of what it would cost if we made this stuff here at home even at current labor prices. What is the cost to taxpayers of providing security to keep and maintain transit lanes open for shipping purposes? Is that cost ever included in that "made in China" underwear we buy? Do you think any and all taxes associated with that underwear reflect that cost? If it did and it was included, that underwear price would likely chap you in a place you wouldn't like! And yes, I'm not leaving UPS out of this either. Nor FedEx bbsam! :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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