Has anything been lost during a contract and then brought back in a new contract?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by AlwaysChafed, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. AlwaysChafed

    AlwaysChafed Member

    For instance was something lost, like a benefit, or a rule and brought back in later contracts? I ask because of the healthcare.
  2. Benben

    Benben Active Member

    Are you really asking if UPS gives anything back, ever?
  3. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

  4. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    Benben wasent around then.
  5. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    Enrollment for benefits pre-2008 began at 3 months for single coverage, 6 months for family coverage. That increased under the '08-'13 contract to 12 months/18 months and was later reduced under the pending TA ('13-'18) to 12/12.

    That's probably because waiting 12 months to get insurance (let alone 18 for family coverage) is a joke in a union shop.

    Other than that? Nope.
  6. AlwaysChafed

    AlwaysChafed Member

    I have no clue why I'm paying dues.
  7. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    Because our union gives someone with or without a high school diploma a shot to eventually make somewhere in the neighborhood of $90,000 - $100,000 per year in total compensation?

    Granted, it might take them 15-20 years of struggling to get there and then 4 more years to reach top rate.
  8. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Once it's gone its gone. Been that way for awhile now.
  9. Benben

    Benben Active Member

    A number of drivers in my center have been saying the same thing....kind of scary in a Right To Work state.
  10. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Because you would have been able to negotiate a $36.16 per hour wage with no medical premium, a pension and job protection on your own?
  11. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    RTM State!
    Right To Mooch!
  12. AlwaysChafed

    AlwaysChafed Member

    By the time I retire they'll be obsolete. ;)
  13. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    ​Better hope they're not or you'll never be able to retire.
  14. BlackCat

    BlackCat Member

    You seem to beat this TA drum pretty hard.

    What exactly did you sacrifice in this TA?
  15. 104Feeder

    104Feeder Phoenix Feeder

    Right to Work (for less), No Right to Propose, No Right to Vote, No Right to Have Any Say.

    ​Be my guest.
  16. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    The only thing I can see as a sacrifice for my area is that peak was extended by 2 weeks and a 4 year progression. What we gained for that was that 1) our casuals will come from the inside instead of outside. 2) the time spent working will reduce their progressing once FT. 3) They will use these casuals to also cover for full weeks when excessive book offs occur during the year so sups will not pull routes.

    Beyond that, I really see no concessions. People say that certain language on 9.5 or technology got worse. But comparing the language, I do not see it as such. I deal with contract issues everyday.
  17. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    I agree with this, except you omitted increasing the FT progression from 3 years to 4 years. Now, if the "new" 9.5 language (in practice, not on paper) can actually start the process of the union forcing UPS to open up more package car routes (net gain in FT jobs) then I can live with it. But I just don't see it happening.
  18. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    I did say it. 2 weeks and a 4 year progression.
  19. 40 and out

    40 and out Active Member

    There was a time when a new contract meant IMPROVEMENTS not CONCESSIONS.
  20. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    You do know their are 2 parties involved right? You do know what happens when only one side takes right?
    Some people talk like we lost everything. I find it a bit extreme.