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Has IBT/CS been a wise steward of our pension?
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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 52882"><p><strong><em>Mr. Skillman is not legally able to bring the pay freeze option to the table at this time because the APWA is not yet our bargaining agent, but believe me, once the APWA is voted in, this issue will rise to the top in a hurry.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>No offense Sawman but that dog don't hunt. If they can't discuss a way to pay for a pension system then how can they present an idea of alternative pension plan in the first place ie $7k per month? It's pretty obvious to me that at this point discussing the pay freeze is pointless unless you are trying to give traction to an idea you believe has merit and it just may but the folks leading the APWA effort are not looking in this direction at this time. </p><p></p><p>If you want to throw out as a hypothetical then say so up front and let's stop playing the game that this idea has a place at this time. Most of us know we are locked into a pretty bad deal regardless who the fault lies with but the question is where we go from here. Rumors and falsehoods although innocent of malice will do nothing but muck up the waters and lead to confusion and distrust. THE IBT can and will use this to drive wedges and then we get no where. As I said earlier at best I see APWA a good thing in that is forces the IBT to walk a straighter line and we all benefit from that. </p><p></p><p>We need to stick strictly to the facts at hand and not engage in "what if" scenarios unless upfront we say "what if" this and "what if" that and go from there. If APWA moves forward and gains standing we will need to do this but again we need to be upfront and list both pros and cons and then go forward making informed decisions. JMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 52882"] [B][I]Mr. Skillman is not legally able to bring the pay freeze option to the table at this time because the APWA is not yet our bargaining agent, but believe me, once the APWA is voted in, this issue will rise to the top in a hurry.[/I][/B] No offense Sawman but that dog don't hunt. If they can't discuss a way to pay for a pension system then how can they present an idea of alternative pension plan in the first place ie $7k per month? It's pretty obvious to me that at this point discussing the pay freeze is pointless unless you are trying to give traction to an idea you believe has merit and it just may but the folks leading the APWA effort are not looking in this direction at this time. If you want to throw out as a hypothetical then say so up front and let's stop playing the game that this idea has a place at this time. Most of us know we are locked into a pretty bad deal regardless who the fault lies with but the question is where we go from here. Rumors and falsehoods although innocent of malice will do nothing but muck up the waters and lead to confusion and distrust. THE IBT can and will use this to drive wedges and then we get no where. As I said earlier at best I see APWA a good thing in that is forces the IBT to walk a straighter line and we all benefit from that. We need to stick strictly to the facts at hand and not engage in "what if" scenarios unless upfront we say "what if" this and "what if" that and go from there. If APWA moves forward and gains standing we will need to do this but again we need to be upfront and list both pros and cons and then go forward making informed decisions. JMO. [/QUOTE]
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