Home
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe UPS Forum
UPS Retirement Topics
Has IBT/CS been a wise steward of our pension?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 52897"><p>I like what I hear also BUT (you knew that was coming LOL!) what will actually have to happen to get there? Right now we are currently represented by the Teamsters Union and as I see the first step would require to de-certify the IBT. This IMO will be a tall order indeed even with the amount of discontent among the membership with the union. Couple that with the fact once you de-certify there would be a period where UPS hourlies have no union protection at all. Now this could be good and bad. The bad is obvious as there is a certain percentage of management that has no ability to lead other than brute force and we will have trouble there. On the flip side there are some hourly employees who to be very honest should be booted down the road and the doorway open to do just that. The question would be would the vast majority of UPSers be willing to take that risk? This gets back to the trust issue I raised earlier. Secondly, can we depend on APWA being able to get certified and a contract in place in a short amount of time to limit potential damage if and should it occur? Lastly, is there a mechanism in the law that if we get UPS to allow us to do the 2 year wage freeze to build a fund for pension buyout that the various Teamster funds would be required to grant and except our buyout? If this is not the case and we hoping the Teamster will just cave in to our request I honestly believe we are just Pis#ing in the wind. They will not just roll over in this deal IMO. </p><p> </p><p>As I said earlier, I like what is being proposed with APWA and I'm talking up the idea around the workplace but there are still many unanswered questions and alot of what ifs? I know these in time can and may get answered but right now I do believe the vast majority of us need to be educated on the entire process of buying the pension as it relates to the law before we can go forward. Let's know what we face before we move forward. </p><p> </p><p>Sawman, </p><p>I'm taking you have connections with the folks at APWA and if you could have them address the legal side of pension buyout on the website I think this might help. Also by law the company can't comment one way or another about these efforts nor can they promote any effort and I'd be shocked to learn they weren't happy with these events but can we be sure they would work with us to develope a contract that would allow the buyout and set up what is being suggested? This gets back again to the trust in the company I mentioned earlier. On it's face the vast majority of management I'm sure would applaud this effort but the bean counters at Glenlake can do some pretty strange things at times that make no sense so again can we predict what they will do? I'm not negative on APWA and in fact as I type this my wife and I are talking about maybe I should go ahead and join to support the cause because at most I like these ideas being thrown out for us UPS Teamsters to discuss and we really need to consider many what if scenarios rather than just what the IBT feeds us and tells us to believe. I spoke of lack of trust with the company but with the IBT I think it is even greater. Thanks sawman for the effort and bringing this conversation to the table for us to discuss.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 52897"] I like what I hear also BUT (you knew that was coming LOL!) what will actually have to happen to get there? Right now we are currently represented by the Teamsters Union and as I see the first step would require to de-certify the IBT. This IMO will be a tall order indeed even with the amount of discontent among the membership with the union. Couple that with the fact once you de-certify there would be a period where UPS hourlies have no union protection at all. Now this could be good and bad. The bad is obvious as there is a certain percentage of management that has no ability to lead other than brute force and we will have trouble there. On the flip side there are some hourly employees who to be very honest should be booted down the road and the doorway open to do just that. The question would be would the vast majority of UPSers be willing to take that risk? This gets back to the trust issue I raised earlier. Secondly, can we depend on APWA being able to get certified and a contract in place in a short amount of time to limit potential damage if and should it occur? Lastly, is there a mechanism in the law that if we get UPS to allow us to do the 2 year wage freeze to build a fund for pension buyout that the various Teamster funds would be required to grant and except our buyout? If this is not the case and we hoping the Teamster will just cave in to our request I honestly believe we are just Pis#ing in the wind. They will not just roll over in this deal IMO. As I said earlier, I like what is being proposed with APWA and I'm talking up the idea around the workplace but there are still many unanswered questions and alot of what ifs? I know these in time can and may get answered but right now I do believe the vast majority of us need to be educated on the entire process of buying the pension as it relates to the law before we can go forward. Let's know what we face before we move forward. Sawman, I'm taking you have connections with the folks at APWA and if you could have them address the legal side of pension buyout on the website I think this might help. Also by law the company can't comment one way or another about these efforts nor can they promote any effort and I'd be shocked to learn they weren't happy with these events but can we be sure they would work with us to develope a contract that would allow the buyout and set up what is being suggested? This gets back again to the trust in the company I mentioned earlier. On it's face the vast majority of management I'm sure would applaud this effort but the bean counters at Glenlake can do some pretty strange things at times that make no sense so again can we predict what they will do? I'm not negative on APWA and in fact as I type this my wife and I are talking about maybe I should go ahead and join to support the cause because at most I like these ideas being thrown out for us UPS Teamsters to discuss and we really need to consider many what if scenarios rather than just what the IBT feeds us and tells us to believe. I spoke of lack of trust with the company but with the IBT I think it is even greater. Thanks sawman for the effort and bringing this conversation to the table for us to discuss. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe UPS Forum
UPS Retirement Topics
Has IBT/CS been a wise steward of our pension?
Top