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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 53017"><p>pkgman, </p><p>Excellent point about PTers taking a pay freeze and what about employees in progression in FT jobs? I can't see an auto mechanic for example leaving an OK job to come to UPS to be locked into 70% of top pay for 2 years. OK2BC also raise a valid observation about current PTers and I see the 2 job PTers as well. Many are small business owners of various types in the day and work the sorts at night for the insurance. Everything from landscape to real estate to insurance people to an auto body shop owner who BTW is the a whale of a paint man. Done some nice work on a few UPSer rides. All these folks are just here until as such point their business grows to the point that insurance would not be such a big draw from their bottomline. They have no interest in going FT but I have mentioned the current pension situation. They are mildly interested but don't feel in the end it will be apart of their life. All are not union members either and this really gets to my point. I think a majority of union member UPSers will give serious thought to any option that presents itself pertaining to the pension situation but the non member is an open book. Why is the non memeber an issue? Because let's face it folks, what we are really talking about here is de-certifying the Teamsters and certifying APWA as our bargaining agent. Now in voting out the Teamsters this may only involve members but I honestly don't know but before I worked at UPS I worked at a company that the Teamsters tried to get in and we had a vote and everyone voted but there was no union present. How it would work for us I don't know. BTW I voted no on the Teamsters in case you were wondering. </p><p> </p><p>The bottomline is right now this is just a discussion at best. We are a LLLOOOOONNNNGGGGG way from getting to the point of having to make a choice. "IF" APWA gets blessed as a bargaining agent by the fed. gov't watch the Carolinas especially NC. IMO it will be these folks who will first move to de certify at a UPS facility. If and once this happens then all the issues will get more serious. </p><p> </p><p>I can flat tell you that Mr. Silkman told me the pay freeze and buyout is not an issue on APWA plate at this time. So any discussion on this is just some wishful thinking or some folks trying to force it out and make it an issue and once APWA becomes official I do believe this option should be discussed and considered. </p><p> </p><p>I'd cut UPS79 some slack as he may be in a very good situation and wants to protect what he already has. We are acting no different it's just we are or may not be in as good a position and just want something better. I do however agree we all should keep it civil. JMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 53017"] pkgman, Excellent point about PTers taking a pay freeze and what about employees in progression in FT jobs? I can't see an auto mechanic for example leaving an OK job to come to UPS to be locked into 70% of top pay for 2 years. OK2BC also raise a valid observation about current PTers and I see the 2 job PTers as well. Many are small business owners of various types in the day and work the sorts at night for the insurance. Everything from landscape to real estate to insurance people to an auto body shop owner who BTW is the a whale of a paint man. Done some nice work on a few UPSer rides. All these folks are just here until as such point their business grows to the point that insurance would not be such a big draw from their bottomline. They have no interest in going FT but I have mentioned the current pension situation. They are mildly interested but don't feel in the end it will be apart of their life. All are not union members either and this really gets to my point. I think a majority of union member UPSers will give serious thought to any option that presents itself pertaining to the pension situation but the non member is an open book. Why is the non memeber an issue? Because let's face it folks, what we are really talking about here is de-certifying the Teamsters and certifying APWA as our bargaining agent. Now in voting out the Teamsters this may only involve members but I honestly don't know but before I worked at UPS I worked at a company that the Teamsters tried to get in and we had a vote and everyone voted but there was no union present. How it would work for us I don't know. BTW I voted no on the Teamsters in case you were wondering. The bottomline is right now this is just a discussion at best. We are a LLLOOOOONNNNGGGGG way from getting to the point of having to make a choice. "IF" APWA gets blessed as a bargaining agent by the fed. gov't watch the Carolinas especially NC. IMO it will be these folks who will first move to de certify at a UPS facility. If and once this happens then all the issues will get more serious. I can flat tell you that Mr. Silkman told me the pay freeze and buyout is not an issue on APWA plate at this time. So any discussion on this is just some wishful thinking or some folks trying to force it out and make it an issue and once APWA becomes official I do believe this option should be discussed and considered. I'd cut UPS79 some slack as he may be in a very good situation and wants to protect what he already has. We are acting no different it's just we are or may not be in as good a position and just want something better. I do however agree we all should keep it civil. JMO. [/QUOTE]
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