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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 864223" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>In some sense, maybe these people are in fact a direct reflection of what we are and what we've become. We've just become accustomed and desensitized to the devaluing of life and while kids show this on the streets as More seems to rightly allude, we adults set the standards in our own actions and the first place we illustrate this is in the being and nature of gov't we elect. Follow me or die so if we say otherwise to kids, do we not look like the biggest hypocrite?</p><p></p><p>More,</p><p>I agree about the video games but you should also include stuff like Call of Duty and Full Spectrum Warrior (as of Sept. 2008' FSW thanks to the US Army became a free internet download). The military uses such <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/13/AR2006021302437.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Gamecraft</span></a> to mentally prepare the battlefield soldier to kill. The problem is this same gamecraft is drilled down to the youth level, especially the pre-teen and early teen male who can be easily molded with such grand illusions. Come recruitment time and age, many of these kids are mentally ripe to sign up with little thinking and to make matter worse, with such sorry job prospects, in some sense who can blame them. Many wonder if the high mental problems of returning soldiers was compounded by the fact that they lived the disconnected world of video but then the realities of the battlefield, the death, blood and gore shattered those illusions. It poses an interesting question and the sad part is the test subjects for such study are very real people who many may never recover.</p><p></p><p>If you think I'm stretching the gamecraft theory a bit then maybe you might consider <a href="http://www.killology.com/bio.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Lt. Col Dave Grossman</span></a>, author of "On Killing" who teaches what is called Killology has written much on the mental effects of <a href="http://www.killology.com/article_teachkid.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">violence on kids</span></a>. To quote <a href="http://www.killology.com/art_trained_methods.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Grossman </span></a>on violent military based gamecraft and TV violence more generally,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now here's the scarier part for you to consider. Your grand daughters are around a lot of these kids or they themselves might be a hapless victim influenced by the obvious self interested brain washing. These games can be dangerously addictive. It's one thing for a kid to enter military service for some patriot fulfillment or some personal reason or duty to just serve in that capacity. Whether I agree or not, can't argue the honor for such self sacrifice but to use a game console to mentally prep a kid with conditioning just strikes me as some 21st century form of a Fascist nightmare.</p><p></p><p>The problem of violence is at our core from top to bottom and yet so embedded that to even question it you are forced to question the structure of society itself and therefore fear drives people away from doing so. The first hint people suspect you questioning society as they know it and out comes the peer pressure to return to ranks of face isolation and abandonment. No individual thinking allowed and Col. Grossman sure makes a case as to just how far this ideal has leeched down into the public psyche. As a result, violence becomes an auto response but then the otherside of this equation is that just as good as the Al Qaeda terrorist is to the military industrial complex, so to is a public bred towards violence for the <a href="http://core.ecu.edu/soci/juskaa/SOCI2110/Prison_Industrial_Complex.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Prison Industrial Complex</span></a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 864223, member: 2189"] In some sense, maybe these people are in fact a direct reflection of what we are and what we've become. We've just become accustomed and desensitized to the devaluing of life and while kids show this on the streets as More seems to rightly allude, we adults set the standards in our own actions and the first place we illustrate this is in the being and nature of gov't we elect. Follow me or die so if we say otherwise to kids, do we not look like the biggest hypocrite? More, I agree about the video games but you should also include stuff like Call of Duty and Full Spectrum Warrior (as of Sept. 2008' FSW thanks to the US Army became a free internet download). The military uses such [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/13/AR2006021302437.html"][COLOR=#ff0000]Gamecraft[/COLOR][/URL] to mentally prepare the battlefield soldier to kill. The problem is this same gamecraft is drilled down to the youth level, especially the pre-teen and early teen male who can be easily molded with such grand illusions. Come recruitment time and age, many of these kids are mentally ripe to sign up with little thinking and to make matter worse, with such sorry job prospects, in some sense who can blame them. Many wonder if the high mental problems of returning soldiers was compounded by the fact that they lived the disconnected world of video but then the realities of the battlefield, the death, blood and gore shattered those illusions. It poses an interesting question and the sad part is the test subjects for such study are very real people who many may never recover. If you think I'm stretching the gamecraft theory a bit then maybe you might consider [URL="http://www.killology.com/bio.htm"][COLOR=#ff0000]Lt. Col Dave Grossman[/COLOR][/URL], author of "On Killing" who teaches what is called Killology has written much on the mental effects of [URL="http://www.killology.com/article_teachkid.htm"][COLOR=#ff0000]violence on kids[/COLOR][/URL]. To quote [URL="http://www.killology.com/art_trained_methods.htm"][COLOR=#ff0000]Grossman [/COLOR][/URL]on violent military based gamecraft and TV violence more generally, Now here's the scarier part for you to consider. Your grand daughters are around a lot of these kids or they themselves might be a hapless victim influenced by the obvious self interested brain washing. These games can be dangerously addictive. It's one thing for a kid to enter military service for some patriot fulfillment or some personal reason or duty to just serve in that capacity. Whether I agree or not, can't argue the honor for such self sacrifice but to use a game console to mentally prep a kid with conditioning just strikes me as some 21st century form of a Fascist nightmare. The problem of violence is at our core from top to bottom and yet so embedded that to even question it you are forced to question the structure of society itself and therefore fear drives people away from doing so. The first hint people suspect you questioning society as they know it and out comes the peer pressure to return to ranks of face isolation and abandonment. No individual thinking allowed and Col. Grossman sure makes a case as to just how far this ideal has leeched down into the public psyche. As a result, violence becomes an auto response but then the otherside of this equation is that just as good as the Al Qaeda terrorist is to the military industrial complex, so to is a public bred towards violence for the [URL="http://core.ecu.edu/soci/juskaa/SOCI2110/Prison_Industrial_Complex.htm"][COLOR=#ff0000]Prison Industrial Complex[/COLOR][/URL]. [/QUOTE]
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