Health insurance tax

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by kingOFchester, May 11, 2009.

  1. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    Anyone else following the Obama socialization of America? How do you feel about being taxed for our health insurance to pay for those without? I know a lot of people who work at UPS for the insurance. Now they may be taxed for getting out there to provide coverage for their family. Perhaps they may figure why not forget the hard labor and insurance and sit at home and get it for free!
    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    You got something against Socialism?

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    Hoax = more sarcastic
     
  3. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    I didn't vote for him and tried my best to warn others of what was coming. I never dreamed that so many people would think that socialism was a good thing. O's campaign promises were riddled with socialistic ideas and program plans and now that he is implementing those ideas some people are shocked.

    Obama and his ilk will not be happy until all Americans are totally dependent on the government for every need.
     
  4. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    One of my favorite T-shirt has the following saying:

    "I have to work hard because millions on welfare depend on me"
     
  5. Joseph Grimm

    Joseph Grimm Member

    Do you know the specifics of Obama's Healthcare Plan or are you reacting to rumor and heresay? I am surprised that an UPS'er would waste time on the rumor mill.
     
  6. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Actually, this is old news. There was word coming from the whitehouse back in Feb. that he and the democrats were considering a tax on those who currently have healthcare, but I have not heard much about it since. What is ironic about this is this was the idea put forth by McCain during his presidential bid, but his idea included offering a tax credit for those purchasing their own health insurance. Obama's plan is to tax those who have to give to the have nots. This is nothing new when it comes to Obama administration economic policies. Just remember that to our president if you work hard for what you have and earned your way through life you are wealthy and therefore subject to increased taxation in order to pay for those who want to sit at home and watch jerry springer all day.
     
  7. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    We've had social programs for years now....this is nothing new.
    America enjoys a mixed economy because privately owned businesses and government both play important roles.
    Conservatives and pro marketeers are scaring people with the S-word just like they scare people with '"America is less safe", and "Obama is coming to take your gun away".....
    Let's not forget, we don't pay a dime for membership of our entire family's healthcare plan. Most other Companies withhold fees to insure employee's family members.
    The cost and profit margins of the Private Healthcare system ,RX's, and Providers is an outrage. Take a look and itemize your next major medical hospital bill. Insurance Companies are in the business of refusing full payment of services until they are pracitcally threatened with legal ramifications....The whole Healthcare system is in need of an access overhaul without bankrupting the consumers and small businesses, and that's one of the stipulations people voted in Obama.....Just a few thoughts.....:peaceful:
     
  8. Dustyroads

    Dustyroads New Member

    Obviously, the entire health care system in America is long overdue change. Millions of Americans, many of them children, cannot afford health care. Likewise, children of poor people simply have no access to dental care, which can impact their health in many ways. It's the case of the haves and have nots. I've been fortunate to be one of the haves for the last 30 years, as a result of my Teamster insurance. My kids have never had to go without. "Obama's gonna tax insurance benefits" is like crying fire in a crowded theatre. The entire system is going to have to be overhauled, it's not so simplistic as taxing insurance benefits. We at UPS may be impacted. Everyone in America is impacted by the cost of health care. Doing nothing, as we saw during 8 hellish years of George Bush simply makes matters worse.
     
  9. bluehdmc

    bluehdmc Well-Known Member

    I also feel there has to be some sort of overhaul of the health care system. I just recieved a bill for some lab work that was done. It lists charges or $899.00 then there is what BC/BS will authorize, $167.37, of which I owe 10%, then it shows an "adjustment" of $731.63.
    Since I have insurance they'll accept payment of $167.37 for their services but some poor schmuck with no insurance would be billed for $899.00?
    I wish someone could explain this to me, but I'd probably get all kinds of double speak. This is how many medical bills are. I had same day surgery about 11yrs ago, the hospital "billed" $3200.00 (which is what they would pursue the guy with no insurance for) yet accepted $1800.00 from blue cross.
    I see similar statements for doctor visits, etc. It's like they have 2 pricing structures, if you have insurance they accept far less.
    No wonder people who lose their insurance because of layoffs, etc. end up skimping on health care.
    I've been a victim of malpractice, poor medical care, fraudulent billing, and doctor's complain how everything costs them so much, etc. Yet around here there still driving Porsches.
     
  10. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Can tell you're not in Feeders....
     
  11. User Name

    User Name Only 230 Today?? lol

    I think that you should make some of those up and give all the proceeds to the united way, or me however it needs to be done.....:wink2:
     
  12. Joseph Grimm

    Joseph Grimm Member

    "Can tell you're not in Feeders"

    You are psychic and smart.
     
  13. Joseph Grimm

    Joseph Grimm Member

    " There was word coming from the whitehouse back in Feb. that he and the democrats were considering a tax on those who currently have healthcare, but I have not heard much about it since. What is ironic about this is this was the idea put forth by McCain during his presidential bid, but his idea included offering a tax credit for those purchasing their own health insurance. Obama's plan is to tax those who have to give to the have nots. This is nothing new when it comes to Obama administration economic policies. Just remember that to our president if you work hard for what you have and earned your way through life you are wealthy and therefore subject to increased taxation in order to pay for those who want to sit at home and watch jerry springer all day."

    Wow! You covered many issues in one post. The ones who have health insurance are already paying for those who do not have health insurance in the form of higher hospital charges, doctor fees, lab tests and state and federal taxes. There is not just one group (indigent) that is the problem. To correct the problems ALL groups are going to have to work together for a solution-Insurances, Hospitals, Doctors, Labs, Nurses, Phamaceuticals, and the American Taxpayer, retiree, handicapped, and those on public assistance. Obama's first steps are to bring these groups together, recognize the fiscal unsustainability to Government, Business, and the American People for healthcare, and present a plan to this great nation that will preserve our A1 healthcare at a more sustainable cost. Many of our problems in the United States are not going to be fixed by legislation, but by us being better citizens to our nation.
     
  14. leastbest

    leastbest LeastBest

    Watch Michael Moore's movie Sicko and you'll want nationalized medicine.
     
  15. 29th Christmas

    29th Christmas New Member

    Let's ask the Canadians what they think of their health care before we do.
     
  16. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    One word.....

    BARF
     
  17. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    You sir, may not pay a dime. But I feel as though everyday I get up at 3:15am and work the preload, my body is paying dearly for those 4 hours.
    I feel very strongly about contributing to charities. Whether that be $'s or hours. I just don't like the government taxing me to provide for those who would rather sit at home. In my PRESENT financial situation, I would be far better off sitting at home and collecting all the pulic funds and assistance from the government.

    We are looking at a defecit of more then 4 times higher then it peaked in 2008. Where will the money come from? We already work close, if not more, 6 months of the year to pay taxes. I would rather not see my kids have to work 9 months a year to pay for all of the current spending. For the record, Bush srewed up everything pretty godd too. This is not about left and right.
     
  18. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Yes, and they are all on the fast track to insolvency.


    America suffers because the government plays such a big role in the economy. Don't believe me? Just wait and check out the new crap boxes that Chrysler is going to produce. They won't sell and Chrysler will be right back in the position it is in now because people aren't buying their crap. Let the market decide what the companies will make and Chrysler can go back to being the lean, efficient car company it was in the 90s.

    You cannot deny that with enough votes in the Congress Obama would limit our right to own firearms so much so that it would be a nightmare just to own one. By the way, do you believe American is more safe when it cuts its budget for items like radiation scanners at our shipping ports? How about attracting fewer qualified police officers by slashing benefits for officers slain in the line of duty? These moves sure make me feel more safe.


    While I am thankful for our insurance all of our federal tax bills could rise dramatically if we had to pay taxes on those benefits.

    Outrage? Care to look into how much it costs those hospitals, pharmacuetical manufacturers, and doctors when something goes painfully wrong and they are slapped with a lawsuit? Medical liability coverage is a very expensive item on their balance sheet.

    97% of all healthcare insurance claims are accepted and paid for. Care to provide facts proving otherwise?

    This I partially agree with, our healthcare system is in need of some serious changes. Free market changes to be exact. Simple things like requiring insurance providers to insure people regardless of their medical history. Requiring that insurance companies who want to sell health insurance in this country has to offer atleast 5 standardized healthplans which the people can become familiar with and understand. Stop the practice of charging patients without insurance more than those with insurance. Finally, make it a requirement that all hospitals report illegal immigrants to the proper authorities once they have been discovered recieving care. These and a few other minor changes can reduce costs, increase coverage, and keep the government out of deciding what kind of care I should recieve. Only my doctor and I should be making those kind of decisions.
     
  19. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Yea, going to Cuba to have a major operation performed on me sounds like a great idea. Atleast until you realize you have to bring your own toilet paper and aspirin.:rolleyes:
     
  20. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    I can not begin to see why anyone would believe a dang word in a MM "documentary". The man can not tell the truth.