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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 791133" data-attributes="member: 14596"><p>No. </p><p>I have been on hundreds of trace rides, observation rides, worked as a helper and run routes in emergency conditions. I have talked with drivers about issues on their routes and spent countless hours trying to work with those drives and their center management team to understand and fix those issues. I have a basic understanding of the job. Do I know it as well and as intimately as a driver with years of hands on experience? Of course not, and never claimed to. </p><p></p><p>How many peaks have you spent as a helper coordinator? Worked with the coordinator to help them deal with 80 plus drivers and 150 or more helpers and make sure all the meet ups happen and all the helpers and drivers are getting along and working efficiently every day? Even talked to a coordinator like a human being about what their role is? </p><p></p><p></p><p>Every time I drive my sister in law anywhere...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is part of your role as a driver with a helper to manage them and make sure they are helping you and not reducing your team efficiency by being a major distraction. Obviously the relationship with the on car is very different and so your responsibility in managing that relationship is less. If you need assistance in managing the helper better, talk to your center team or the coordinator. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your experience of me is limited to a few posts on a board. So your assertion about me is therefor based on almost complete ignorance. As with most assumptions based that way, is is completely incorrect.</p><p>My assertions are based on my experience with the UPS peak helper strategy and implementation. While not all encompassing, it is much deeper than a few posts on a forum.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not believe I have any market on integrity. I fail to see what cynicism has to do with integrity or where in my post I made a claim to any market on integrity. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So we agree.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem to be contradicting yourself here. We both just agreed that there are likely drivers abusing the system in Sober's center. Yet you think I am mistaken that Sober would not necessarily know about them if there were. Sober has stated he is unaware of any in his center. So you are saying that if there were any takers in Sober's center, he would know about them (which he says he does not) and yet you also agree there likely are takers in the center. Are you just trying too hard to disagree with everything I say?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, we are in agreement.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I am neither a micro manager or a carpet bomber. But to run with your analogy, the carpet bombing is just leaflets. Messages, information. If that is what it takes to get through to the insurgents so be it. It is not like the honest villagers are being blown up, they can safely ignore the leaflets.</p><p></p><p>Good advice. That is what I try to do. It is not easy, and has in the past cost me a couple peak weeks working 100 plus hours, and countless headaches but sometimes that is part of running a business.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My words of thanks were for Sober, Upstate and Magnus. </p><p>I am willing to be wrong, but based on your earlier statements of "<strong>I </strong>decide when and how long to use my helper" and "helpers are a distraction", I would guess that you would not be the type of driver that would willingly work with me as a helper coordinator in a cooperative way to try and make the best of peak. These phrases to me sound like a driver who will, when the volume is lighter and just starting to ramp up, resist my efforts to match you up with a helper for just a couple hours a day to get them some experience, then when things are really heavy complain to me about my inability to find an experience, knowledgeable quality helper.</p><p></p><p>If I am correct, you would have no reason to fear receiving any hollow thanks or praise from me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 791133, member: 14596"] No. I have been on hundreds of trace rides, observation rides, worked as a helper and run routes in emergency conditions. I have talked with drivers about issues on their routes and spent countless hours trying to work with those drives and their center management team to understand and fix those issues. I have a basic understanding of the job. Do I know it as well and as intimately as a driver with years of hands on experience? Of course not, and never claimed to. How many peaks have you spent as a helper coordinator? Worked with the coordinator to help them deal with 80 plus drivers and 150 or more helpers and make sure all the meet ups happen and all the helpers and drivers are getting along and working efficiently every day? Even talked to a coordinator like a human being about what their role is? Every time I drive my sister in law anywhere... It is part of your role as a driver with a helper to manage them and make sure they are helping you and not reducing your team efficiency by being a major distraction. Obviously the relationship with the on car is very different and so your responsibility in managing that relationship is less. If you need assistance in managing the helper better, talk to your center team or the coordinator. Your experience of me is limited to a few posts on a board. So your assertion about me is therefor based on almost complete ignorance. As with most assumptions based that way, is is completely incorrect. My assertions are based on my experience with the UPS peak helper strategy and implementation. While not all encompassing, it is much deeper than a few posts on a forum. I do not believe I have any market on integrity. I fail to see what cynicism has to do with integrity or where in my post I made a claim to any market on integrity. So we agree. You seem to be contradicting yourself here. We both just agreed that there are likely drivers abusing the system in Sober's center. Yet you think I am mistaken that Sober would not necessarily know about them if there were. Sober has stated he is unaware of any in his center. So you are saying that if there were any takers in Sober's center, he would know about them (which he says he does not) and yet you also agree there likely are takers in the center. Are you just trying too hard to disagree with everything I say? Again, we are in agreement. I am neither a micro manager or a carpet bomber. But to run with your analogy, the carpet bombing is just leaflets. Messages, information. If that is what it takes to get through to the insurgents so be it. It is not like the honest villagers are being blown up, they can safely ignore the leaflets. Good advice. That is what I try to do. It is not easy, and has in the past cost me a couple peak weeks working 100 plus hours, and countless headaches but sometimes that is part of running a business. My words of thanks were for Sober, Upstate and Magnus. I am willing to be wrong, but based on your earlier statements of "[B]I [/B]decide when and how long to use my helper" and "helpers are a distraction", I would guess that you would not be the type of driver that would willingly work with me as a helper coordinator in a cooperative way to try and make the best of peak. These phrases to me sound like a driver who will, when the volume is lighter and just starting to ramp up, resist my efforts to match you up with a helper for just a couple hours a day to get them some experience, then when things are really heavy complain to me about my inability to find an experience, knowledgeable quality helper. If I am correct, you would have no reason to fear receiving any hollow thanks or praise from me. [/QUOTE]
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