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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 791157" data-attributes="member: 14596"><p>First, I never said your statements were based on complete ignorance. I said they were based on almost complete ignorance, or another way of stating this is they are based on very little information. I went so far as to spell out exactly what that information was. Did you miss all that?</p><p></p><p>Secondly, my statement about drivers using helpers as a social outlet is based on several years working peak as a helper coordinator. Spending hours every day looking at the helper teams of 80 or more drivers and dealing with up to 150 helpers. Looking every day at helper team production and investigating those teams that were not productive. Talking with the driver and the helper, talking with the preloader and coming in to check load qualities. Reviewing drivers and helpers time card information to see when helpers were being used during air delivery and pickups. Training helpers on DIAD and independent delivery, training drivers on prescribed methods for using helpers efficiently and working with them to adjust those methods for there routes and day to day realities.</p><p>Maybe you would define all that as total ignorance. I would disagree.</p><p></p><p>On a side note the sister in law comment was merely about following the seeing habits with non stop yapping. It was also entirely tongue in cheek.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with you here. In fact, I said explicitly that I believe him unreservedly. </p><p></p><p></p><p>That is fine, but that is not what you said. You quoted my post which was a point about the fact that I thought there were likely to be takers as you call them in sobers center and explained why I thought so and why there could be even though sober is not aware of any. You responded that it was easy to be aware of takers, which I took to mean that you felt if there were any takers in sober's center, he would surely know about them, therefor there must not be any. </p><p> I have no problem with others making a comment on my posts. Pardon me if I in turn feel free to comment on their posts to correct what I see as faulty logic or incorrect assumptions. If you do not feel it appropriate of me to attempt to point out faulty logic in a post you make regarding one of my posts, I can only offer your own advice and suggest a PM.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I see that the tone that I took your "I decide how to use my helper" comment to be in is entirely different than how you meant it. Which would take the strongest half of my reasons for suspecting you of being like the many difficult and abrasive drivers I have dealt with concerning helpers. As I said, I am willing to be wrong, you have made a strong argument to suggest I was. My apologies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see where the mis understanding is. I meant:</p><p>cyn·i·cal</p><p><strong>3. </strong> Negative or pessimistic, as from world-weariness:</p><p>Also from the free dictionary.</p><p></p><p>Bravo, the "As loathe as I am to appear..." is indeed a self serving smarmy way of saying "I am now going to do something I am not regretful of doing, but am going to pretend I am". Again, I was trying to be mildly ironic and funny, which is why I chose the obvious and rather archaic sounding language. I meant it merely as a sort of light lead in to saying I do not believe everyone in the center is using helpers as well as sober and others claim to be. The intent was to make my point while heading off any potential for it to seem I was calling into question sobers integrity.</p><p></p><p>Based on the way you took it, ironic indeed, no?</p><p></p><p>Speaking of smarmy, Nice "no i/o or social psychology classes?" Were you trying to be funny or was that a genuine attempt at condescension?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 791157, member: 14596"] First, I never said your statements were based on complete ignorance. I said they were based on almost complete ignorance, or another way of stating this is they are based on very little information. I went so far as to spell out exactly what that information was. Did you miss all that? Secondly, my statement about drivers using helpers as a social outlet is based on several years working peak as a helper coordinator. Spending hours every day looking at the helper teams of 80 or more drivers and dealing with up to 150 helpers. Looking every day at helper team production and investigating those teams that were not productive. Talking with the driver and the helper, talking with the preloader and coming in to check load qualities. Reviewing drivers and helpers time card information to see when helpers were being used during air delivery and pickups. Training helpers on DIAD and independent delivery, training drivers on prescribed methods for using helpers efficiently and working with them to adjust those methods for there routes and day to day realities. Maybe you would define all that as total ignorance. I would disagree. On a side note the sister in law comment was merely about following the seeing habits with non stop yapping. It was also entirely tongue in cheek. I agree with you here. In fact, I said explicitly that I believe him unreservedly. That is fine, but that is not what you said. You quoted my post which was a point about the fact that I thought there were likely to be takers as you call them in sobers center and explained why I thought so and why there could be even though sober is not aware of any. You responded that it was easy to be aware of takers, which I took to mean that you felt if there were any takers in sober's center, he would surely know about them, therefor there must not be any. I have no problem with others making a comment on my posts. Pardon me if I in turn feel free to comment on their posts to correct what I see as faulty logic or incorrect assumptions. If you do not feel it appropriate of me to attempt to point out faulty logic in a post you make regarding one of my posts, I can only offer your own advice and suggest a PM. I see that the tone that I took your "I decide how to use my helper" comment to be in is entirely different than how you meant it. Which would take the strongest half of my reasons for suspecting you of being like the many difficult and abrasive drivers I have dealt with concerning helpers. As I said, I am willing to be wrong, you have made a strong argument to suggest I was. My apologies. I see where the mis understanding is. I meant: cyn·i·cal [B]3. [/B] Negative or pessimistic, as from world-weariness: Also from the free dictionary. Bravo, the "As loathe as I am to appear..." is indeed a self serving smarmy way of saying "I am now going to do something I am not regretful of doing, but am going to pretend I am". Again, I was trying to be mildly ironic and funny, which is why I chose the obvious and rather archaic sounding language. I meant it merely as a sort of light lead in to saying I do not believe everyone in the center is using helpers as well as sober and others claim to be. The intent was to make my point while heading off any potential for it to seem I was calling into question sobers integrity. Based on the way you took it, ironic indeed, no? Speaking of smarmy, Nice "no i/o or social psychology classes?" Were you trying to be funny or was that a genuine attempt at condescension? [/QUOTE]
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