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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 791187" data-attributes="member: 14596"><p>Ok, my apologies for using them interchangeably. Then I should have said your assumption about me is based on just a few posts on a board. In other words, almost nothing. Your assumption is wrong. You assume I think people who get dirty for a living and those who manage them are idiots. I do not. I will also add that I am in operations management, so, if your assumption were correct, I would be a know it all who thinks I myself am an idiot. Seemingly contradictory. But totally wrong never the less.</p><p></p><p>OK. How about this. My belief that there are many drivers who misuse the helper system, intentionally or otherwise, are based on my direct experiences with many drivers who have misused the helper system. The driver who picks up his preloader to be his driver helper right from the hub and takes him right when he starts his air. Happened to me several times, and at least once each year I was a coordinator. How about the driver who picked up a customer he got along with one day who mentioned he would like to be a driver helper. Just picked him up from the stop and had him ride the whole day with him (not very productively I might add) running packages in his jeans and t shirt. No hiring process, no browns. Then brought me a timecard at the end of the day with the guys social security number on it. How about the helper who called me one peak to ask to be moved to another driver because the guy she was riding with had made sexually suggestive remarks she found uncomfortable. Coincidently, not a very productive pair, but I am sure he was not looking for a social outlet. How about the driver who left the helper I had assigned him waiting at the meet point, and instead went and picked up his cousin who was assigned to a driver in another center and took him on road instead, and finished with a lower SPORH than he had had on the prior day without a helper. </p><p> </p><p>This is just a small number of the specific instances of drivers not using helpers properly and abusing the system that I have been personally and directly involved in. Forget the many instances I have not mentioned, just these are in opinion, many. Way, way too many. So I stand by my statement that many drivers abuse the system every year. If you want to turn it into a big case of me questioning drivers integrity, so be it. That was not my intent. Some of these examples clearly are a lack of integrity. Some are just really, really poor choices. They are abuses either way.</p><p></p><p>No, my assumption about what you said are based on the words you used and the context of the ongoing conversation in which you used them. </p><p>I don't believe I have spent years dealing with drivers quite like you, and God willing never will. (just kidding with that last in case you were wondering)</p><p> </p><p>No. If we are going to get really specific with each other and our use of semantics, I would not call a driver seeing a helper as a chance to have a social outlet on car with him as any sort of integrity issue at all. I have had drivers who very much enjoyed the company of their helpers, saw them as a social outlet, yet also used them productively. And I have dealt with drivers (note the examples above) where many drivers used helpers as a social outlet in an unproductive manner. Weather from lack of integrity or just poor judgment, I just tried to work with the center, the driver, the helper, and fix the problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 791187, member: 14596"] Ok, my apologies for using them interchangeably. Then I should have said your assumption about me is based on just a few posts on a board. In other words, almost nothing. Your assumption is wrong. You assume I think people who get dirty for a living and those who manage them are idiots. I do not. I will also add that I am in operations management, so, if your assumption were correct, I would be a know it all who thinks I myself am an idiot. Seemingly contradictory. But totally wrong never the less. OK. How about this. My belief that there are many drivers who misuse the helper system, intentionally or otherwise, are based on my direct experiences with many drivers who have misused the helper system. The driver who picks up his preloader to be his driver helper right from the hub and takes him right when he starts his air. Happened to me several times, and at least once each year I was a coordinator. How about the driver who picked up a customer he got along with one day who mentioned he would like to be a driver helper. Just picked him up from the stop and had him ride the whole day with him (not very productively I might add) running packages in his jeans and t shirt. No hiring process, no browns. Then brought me a timecard at the end of the day with the guys social security number on it. How about the helper who called me one peak to ask to be moved to another driver because the guy she was riding with had made sexually suggestive remarks she found uncomfortable. Coincidently, not a very productive pair, but I am sure he was not looking for a social outlet. How about the driver who left the helper I had assigned him waiting at the meet point, and instead went and picked up his cousin who was assigned to a driver in another center and took him on road instead, and finished with a lower SPORH than he had had on the prior day without a helper. This is just a small number of the specific instances of drivers not using helpers properly and abusing the system that I have been personally and directly involved in. Forget the many instances I have not mentioned, just these are in opinion, many. Way, way too many. So I stand by my statement that many drivers abuse the system every year. If you want to turn it into a big case of me questioning drivers integrity, so be it. That was not my intent. Some of these examples clearly are a lack of integrity. Some are just really, really poor choices. They are abuses either way. No, my assumption about what you said are based on the words you used and the context of the ongoing conversation in which you used them. I don't believe I have spent years dealing with drivers quite like you, and God willing never will. (just kidding with that last in case you were wondering) No. If we are going to get really specific with each other and our use of semantics, I would not call a driver seeing a helper as a chance to have a social outlet on car with him as any sort of integrity issue at all. I have had drivers who very much enjoyed the company of their helpers, saw them as a social outlet, yet also used them productively. And I have dealt with drivers (note the examples above) where many drivers used helpers as a social outlet in an unproductive manner. Weather from lack of integrity or just poor judgment, I just tried to work with the center, the driver, the helper, and fix the problem. [/QUOTE]
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