Hoffa letter to Reid and Pelosi.

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by brostalss, Oct 14, 2013.

  1. brostalss

    brostalss Active Member



    Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:


    When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.


    Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.


    Now this vision has come back to haunt us.


    Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week’s huge accommodation for the employer community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013” deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.


    Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:


    First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.


    Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.


    And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.


    On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.


    We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.


    We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.


    We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.


    James P. Hoffa
    General President
    International Brotherhood of Teamsters


    Joseph Hansen
    International President
    UFCW


    D. Taylor
    President
    UNITE-HERE
     
  2. brostalss

    brostalss Active Member

    Be careful what you wish for.
     
  3. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Elections have consequences. It would be nice if the Teamsters would end their blind following of the democrat party and their communist leaders, but that is really too much to ask. They financially supported the people who voted for this mess so in effect they(we) have made our bed now its time to sleep in it. Don't like it? Quit voting for democrats!
     
  4. RealPerson

    RealPerson Active Member

    When did he write that???
     
  5. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    After the IBT negotiated our master with UPS moving us all into the union plan known as Teamcare, which to quote Hoffa is "unsustainable".

    July 2013 the letter was sent.....our contract was negotiated and presented in May 2013.
     
  6. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Is a better option to vote for the republican that was the biggest RTW advocate?
     
  7. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    Why not support RTW if you know you have no chance of getting the union vote?
     
  8. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Because RTW is the antithesis of union. Affordable healthcare act can change in different ways. RTW cannot.
     
  9. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Duhhhh!
    What kind of dumbnutt does not understand this is the end-game plan for the Democrats.
    They have been saying for 20 years that their goal is a single-payer healthcare system for all Americans.

    ​Just saying.
     
  10. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Because RTW is the only effective means for employees to hold their Union accountable.
    ​No one likes to be held accountable.
     
  11. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    You left out the guts of the letter, must have been an inadvertant oversight.
    Lots of dumbnutts are signing up or anticipating Medicare, duhhhh.
     
  12. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    And in this corner wearing the red shorts...Hoaxster!
    Unions have elections every three years, how many times did you get to vote on UPS's leaders?
     
  13. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    So can we use this type of logic in order to hold other organizations accountable, too?

    For example, if I think I got bad service as a restaurant, am I allowed to walk out on the bill to hold them accountable? What about walking out on my $100 tab at a steak house because the baked potato was a little overdone? Or my $80 tab at a bar because the bartender handed me a Budweiser instead of a Bud Light?

    Or can I stroll out of Best Buy with a plasma screen TV because I wanted to hold the sales person accountable for making me wait for him to deal with another customer?

    You get the idea. If you give someone a chance to get something for nothing under the guise of "accountability", a lot of people will jump at the chance to steal and freeload.
     
  14. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Nice try at spinning.

    No ... what you do is you have the power to not uses their services or goods in the future.

    At a restaurant, I can ask to talk to the manager but the real power is in never coming back.

    I can ask for a Bud Light and refuse to pay for the Budweiser.

    I can leave Best Buy and go to Sam's or Amazon (which I have done).
     
  15. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    ​Every day.
     
  16. anonymous6

    anonymous6 Guest

    wow. that letter could have been addressed to Hoffa and hall regarding our health benefits. how do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r=I=t=e=?
     
  17. AndUPSER

    AndUPSER Active Member

    Unions invest millions of dollars into the law = A giant smack in the face for their members.
     
  18. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Accountable? It's called union resources for zero dues. If everyone was in RTW, there would be no union.
     
  19. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    I believe 23 states are now RTW, and last I checked the teamsters are still in the business of representing UPSers in every one of those states.
     
  20. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Exactly.
    Georgia is RTW and most F/T are in Union.

    P/T (which are not represented very well) are in the Union at a much lower rate.
    95% plus of the P/T never realize the "so called" benefits that the Teamsters "got" for them.
    Just saying.

    My personal opinion is that all F/T should belong and only those P/T with 5 years or more of seniority.