Well this thread went to the pot. Doesn't help when one guy is making blanket statements after posting 3 or 4 specific "instances." Seems like it's a looky looky I found some reason to make unions look bad, I'm going to a predominantly union member website, and whine about my union job, that pays me better than if I were non-union. BBAK, you are right we are not perfect as a whole, but as a whole we are better off than we were. Feel free to work at the other 95% of employers that have no contract with there employees.